Jacob Trance

Hopefully his cunt of a sister is out injured too.

Wrestling Saturday so voted Sunday. It's all about me.

For those that just want WURDZ: # tactiq.io free youtube transcript # OCWFED Lets Talk OCW Ep 1 "Podcast" # https://www.youtube.com/watch/v_57WBrO0IA 00:00:00.040 [Music] 00:00:03.280 all right anyways so uh what we got here 00:00:06.399 it's very simple uh perks and I couple 00:00:11.040 weeks ago like a month ago we we got 00:00:12.880 together and like hey uh people aren't 00:00:15.000 really talking about ocw and whenever 00:00:17.000 they talk about ocw it seems to be a 00:00:19.680 very limited approach and it's over 00:00:22.240 pretty quickly um so we you know last 00:00:25.880 month we've been putting together like 00:00:27.679 an idea of what we're gonna do and how 00:00:29.199 we're gonna do this and uh unfortunately 00:00:30.920 he's not able to be here so I'm not 00:00:33.000 going to go over any of the material 00:00:34.320 that he uh wants to talk about 00:00:36.600 specifically uh but I wanted to kind of 00:00:38.840 get one out there guess you could say 00:00:40.680 it's like a practice run and and who 00:00:42.239 better to be on a practice run uh than 00:00:45.600 somebody who can actually help me along 00:00:47.360 the way so Jim traveling 90 M hour down 00:00:50.199 some interstate is calling in to help me 00:00:52.840 out with this and he has been very 00:00:54.520 helpful so thank you so much for being 00:00:56.359 helpful um appreciate you of course 00:01:00.960 problem okay so uh let me give you the 00:01:04.400 general gist here um so Jimmy how well 00:01:07.640 would you say that you know stuff from 00:01:09.520 like pre 00:01:11.759 2018 probably better than anyone who's 00:01:14.240 been here for two years to be honest 00:01:15.799 with you okay so like you know that 2018 00:01:19.600 is like um production era is is that it 00:01:24.040 said that 2018 is is the start of the 00:01:26.200 production era and I can see that when I 00:01:28.040 look back I'm sure you've probably know 00:01:29.920 noticed that as 00:01:31.159 well yeah that's when we stopped putting 00:01:33.479 music to our matches 00:01:35.520 right um I'm pretty sure I continue that 00:01:38.320 for a while after that because I really 00:01:40.000 liked music during my matches so I 00:01:42.159 remember that I had like a turmoil 200 00:01:45.119 match with Austin Lee for the uh CCW 00:01:48.280 title and I put music over it and um I I 00:01:53.040 I just enjoyed having music over it but 00:01:55.200 yes around that time then the commentary 00:01:57.640 for uh Main Events and then 00:02:00.680 for pay-per-view matches did start so 00:02:02.600 yes that's that's the end of that kind 00:02:04.719 of a natural one so what I was actually 00:02:07.079 going to bring up is there were this 00:02:09.598 this conversation between myself and 00:02:11.400 Brian like what was the most impressive 00:02:14.000 title run and the problem is once you 00:02:16.080 look at it it's like well the games were 00:02:18.959 very very very different back in the day 00:02:22.519 and and therefore the title runs were 00:02:25.360 therefore very very different as well so 00:02:27.360 like around 2018 especially when we 00:02:29.640 started gain to that 2K9 uh phase uh the 00:02:33.000 way that titles are held defended 00:02:35.280 changed dramatically so before 2018 00:02:39.360 there was like there's like three title 00:02:40.879 runs that I wanted to kind of point out 00:02:42.879 here uh because for me going back and 00:02:45.879 looking history great deal of fun um I 00:02:48.920 don't know if you're familiar with uh uh 00:02:52.080 with 00:02:54.560 Leon okay so yeah you've heard of him so 00:02:57.319 like he was really freaking good at the 00:03:00.760 game um he definitely was somebody who 00:03:05.560 had he had multiple runs with the ocw 00:03:07.360 title and the one I wanted to talk about 00:03:08.720 was uh like December 13 2008 at 00:03:12.040 chillfactor he defeats Nate Ortiz which 00:03:15.560 you know defeat Nate Ortiz some people 00:03:18.120 are still trying to defeat Nate Ortiz to 00:03:20.360 this very day and then he goes on to 00:03:22.480 hold the title for over 100 days and 00:03:24.879 this is rare like title runs back in 00:03:27.920 like 20072 2008 2009 you know they're 00:03:32.200 they're very short very few of them 00:03:34.239 actually make it over 100 days his his 00:03:36.159 did um but the most important thing like 00:03:39.720 the the biggest thing that really stood 00:03:41.319 out to me when I'm going through like 00:03:42.400 these records and stuff is this number 00:03:43.760 of defenses uh he made it to seven 00:03:46.360 defenses and at that time it was a 00:03:49.519 record it the idea of somebody holding 00:03:51.760 on to the title seven times back then 00:03:54.720 was was completely unheard of nowadays 00:03:58.120 it's it's pretty common but back then 00:04:00.680 the way that the gamees played the way 00:04:02.000 that things were defended there was 00:04:03.480 multiple there was many more shows that 00:04:05.480 were taking place so Leon's the seven 00:04:08.920 title defenses as far as I can tell was 00:04:12.079 a a record for the longest 00:04:15.160 time um then there was uh the first 00:04:19.040 person to hold the title over 2,000 days 00:04:22.600 minus Mayhem but you know there's 00:04:24.800 asteris for for reasons and that's 00:04:26.759 Parker Stevens and like he he was he's a 00:04:31.520 very divisive figure in in ocw but he 00:04:34.479 did make it over 200 days around the 00:04:36.759 same time uh so that's like a title run 00:04:39.600 that I'd like to point out I I look at 00:04:41.720 I'm like that's it's really freaking 00:04:43.320 impressive what he's able to do like he 00:04:45.360 played I don't know if this happened 00:04:46.560 during his title run but he like played 00:04:48.240 with a mangled hand and [ __ ] so he was 00:04:51.919 you know just a beast and you know 00:04:53.759 people still you know like sing his 00:04:55.160 praises and stuff um another person like 00:04:59.000 I got to point this went out toin Frost 00:05:01.400 he was impressive for a different reason 00:05:03.840 he held the title for four minutes I 00:05:05.520 don't know have you ever looked at the 00:05:06.919 title sheet and seen sure have yes I 00:05:10.479 actually input the records into the 00:05:12.280 website so I have looked at the entirety 00:05:14.280 of the title 00:05:15.440 sheet yeah so tolbin Frost um obviously 00:05:19.240 impressive different reason if I'm not 00:05:21.960 mistaken I know this is true for the 00:05:24.199 world titles but I think it's true for 00:05:26.240 all titles maybe the hardcore one but 00:05:29.240 there's not really records for the 00:05:30.560 hardcore one yet um that's the shortest 00:05:33.199 Title reign of all time so it was it was 00:05:36.600 one in a in a perfect circle uh 00:05:39.880 defeating Shawn McGee and and 00:05:43.039 Parker uh but then he was he was 00:05:45.680 defeated by Paul Pew so Paul Pew uh has 00:05:49.240 claimed to have been the person that 00:05:51.600 caused uh the shortest Title reign son 00:05:54.520 of a [ __ ] that son of a [ __ ] he might 00:05:57.520 be a bigger dick than I am he might be 00:06:00.759 it might be yeah I mean your 00:06:02.000 character-wise you're you're you're like 00:06:03.840 really playing a terrible freaking 00:06:06.039 person absolutely but I mean all jokes 00:06:10.319 aside that the fact that like I can't 00:06:13.560 recall how many perfect circles there 00:06:15.240 have been I can think of only one other 00:06:18.840 perfect circle that has actually taken 00:06:20.840 place in Trey golden was involved with 00:06:23.919 it so by default that means that Trey 00:06:25.800 golden had three feuds come from one 00:06:28.039 match which is very impressive 00:06:29.560 congratulations Trey um but I don't know 00:06:32.759 when you were looking through all those 00:06:34.440 other things like before 00:06:37.199 2018 was there anything that like stood 00:06:39.240 out to you when you were looking through 00:06:41.160 those I mean obviously the number of 00:06:43.680 title Reigns and I you know you 00:06:45.120 mentioned earlier that like ocw used to 00:06:47.160 run like four shows a week you know what 00:06:49.199 I mean like it used to be the Wild Wild 00:06:51.599 West like it was a show like four days 00:06:53.800 out of the work week almost so um 00:06:57.520 honestly obviously the number of times 00:06:59.720 that Nate Ortiz's name shows up on that 00:07:01.639 list is astounding okay so I'll throw 00:07:03.919 that out there right now I think we all 00:07:06.000 know he's the GT goat in the whole 00:07:07.560 entire thing but if you look go back in 00:07:09.319 in kind of the archives Nate rtz kind of 00:07:11.800 carried the company from like 2006 to 00:07:14.160 probably like nine or 10 like almost 00:07:19.000 single-handed 00:07:20.520 well I oh God I'm trying to remember it 00:07:23.080 off the top my head I'm going to look it 00:07:24.680 up here cuz I remember when I was going 00:07:26.800 through and I was getting the records 00:07:28.560 situated and stuff 00:07:30.199 and one of the things that I was uh 00:07:32.960 supposed to do is I I had to look up and 00:07:35.199 find out um how many times did Nate 00:07:38.639 Ortiz hold a world title um so I 00:07:42.879 actually did get that number it's 00:07:45.120 been it's been a while since I've looked 00:07:47.520 at that sheet to actually get that 00:07:49.199 number cuz uh like 2 in 2016 he got to 00:07:54.560 his six World Title 00:07:58.159 reign uh with the ocw seems well be 00:08:01.479 honest with you yeah so that but that's 00:08:03.720 ocw title only when you then include the 00:08:08.159 CCW Championship which did get retired 00:08:11.319 in 00:08:12.319 2008 and then he's actually the guy um 00:08:15.159 who unified the ocw championship with 00:08:17.599 the CCW Championship uh when you get 00:08:20.120 into that you know we're looking at 00:08:21.599 eight World title Reigns so that 00:08:26.120 is as a record that I seriously doubt is 00:08:30.360 going to be reached I just somebody 00:08:33.399 would have to be around for a very long 00:08:35.640 time and the fact is back in back in the 00:08:38.679 day the title was more prone to you know 00:08:42.000 Changing Hands uh especially from like I 00:08:45.600 mentioned Leon like he beat you know 00:08:47.519 Nate Ortiz to win the title but he and 00:08:50.800 um Leon and Nate Ortiz have then 00:08:53.560 sensation they traded it back and forth 00:08:56.080 for close to a like half of a year year 00:08:59.920 they just went back and forth all all 00:09:02.040 through 2008 the latter half of 2008 00:09:04.920 they just traded back and forth back and 00:09:06.360 forth um so what you're telling me is 00:09:08.399 Jay has actually been the ocw champion 00:09:10.399 for the last 10,000 Days 00:09:13.279 uh well well well I mean that's what the 00:09:17.040 meme is um Jay is only a one-time 00:09:20.680 Champion I'm pretty sure if I remember 00:09:22.800 this because I actually went back and I 00:09:24.079 looked at storyline there was betrayals 00:09:26.079 from all three of them like Jay betrayed 00:09:28.560 Nate Nate betrayed Jay and Leon betrayed 00:09:31.200 Jay and you know it it was it was a very 00:09:33.760 convoluted mess um but it was fun to R 00:09:37.360 remember going back and seeing that so 00:09:39.959 uh Nate Ortiz yeah eight World titles 00:09:43.279 who's going to touch that I don't think 00:09:44.560 anyone's going to touch that I mean like 00:09:47.040 let's bring in some context there were 00:09:49.200 so many like insurrections during those 00:09:51.200 periods too of people like trying to 00:09:52.800 [ __ ] on J and like start new feds come 00:09:56.079 in out like on top of all of this so 00:09:59.079 like put the turmoil like no pun 00:10:01.839 intended that was involved in that era 00:10:04.360 on top of all of that right and it's 00:10:07.360 it's even more 00:10:09.640 impressive oh [ __ ] it's impressive no 00:10:11.959 matter how you cut it here in terms of 00:10:14.360 uh how many times you know he became 00:10:16.279 champion and then stayed consistent 00:10:17.920 enough to stay within the you know 00:10:20.519 within the title scene I think that's 00:10:21.920 something that gets lost a lot in in in 00:10:24.279 the modern days like um the idea of 00:10:27.320 somebody loses but then is still good 00:10:30.200 enough and and they tell a story well 00:10:32.720 and people want to work with them you 00:10:34.200 know that part right there people want 00:10:35.519 to work with you the idea of somebody 00:10:37.040 being able to stay 00:10:38.800 consistently always near enough to reach 00:10:41.920 the title um is is very impressive and 00:10:45.600 obviously that was taking place back 00:10:47.240 then and that could be for uh multiple 00:10:49.600 reasons you know trust uh quality of the 00:10:52.320 work etc etc a combination of all things 00:10:55.440 uh so out of curiosity like if you had 00:10:57.720 to throw out a name just for [ __ ] sing 00:10:59.519 gagles here okay um modern 00:11:04.440 day who do you think could actually get 00:11:08.360 28 like who do you think would actually 00:11:10.399 have a chance to get 00:11:12.480 28 uh you I think you're actually pretty 00:11:15.480 close to that if we're being honest uh I 00:11:18.560 no I'm not I'm not yes am you be I okay 00:11:23.240 let let's count this out you be I I can 00:11:25.920 count out I got it right in front of you 00:11:28.399 I'm only a four time Champion I'm I'm 00:11:30.839 I'm only four oh see see see I thought 00:11:33.399 we were talking about defenses um no no 00:11:37.160 oh defenses okay no no no no that's 00:11:40.680 that's different actually I do have the 00:11:43.120 title defense for World titles I'm at 10 00:11:45.920 although I think it could get broken 00:11:48.320 because Deborah's at nine uh coming up 00:11:50.839 against EMP here I I do have that em 00:11:54.480 ends careers I'm sorry she ain't 00:11:56.000 breaking that [ __ ] that's that's why 00:11:58.160 working with her careers so that's what 00:12:01.240 she does no ju just talking about world 00:12:04.480 title Reigns like number of I'm at four 00:12:09.480 and I've been here for I don't know 2015 00:12:13.160 I join are you sure four is I thought it 00:12:14.639 was five but you would know better than 00:12:16.360 I would uh no it is it's it's at four 00:12:19.680 I've never held the ocw uh title so like 00:12:22.720 there's no no numbers there it's it's at 00:12:25.760 uh although I 00:12:27.680 mean I would thr perk's name out there 00:12:30.360 but the whole thing is like he's ready 00:12:31.800 to evaporate and he's at three so that's 00:12:34.120 like not going to happen um I mean 00:12:37.360 modern day if people were to stick 00:12:39.680 around enough um you know there are some 00:12:43.680 names that I could see sticking around 00:12:45.519 for a long time and winning a bunch of 00:12:47.639 titles but the question is they've never 00:12:49.480 even won championships so that's very 00:12:51.279 presumptive of me you know what I mean 00:12:53.480 like or at least World titles I should 00:12:54.959 say you know what I mean um and of our 00:12:58.320 current crop 00:12:59.720 honestly there's a lot of like old stars 00:13:03.000 that hold the titles like you know what 00:13:04.600 I mean like when I mean by old Stars I'm 00:13:06.600 talking about like for me from my 00:13:09.120 perspective an older star it's like Max 00:13:11.480 Edwards Max Edward's been here how many 00:13:13.079 years what six or seven at this 00:13:15.839 point uh I want to say Max came in 00:13:19.680 around 00:13:21.199 2018 somewhere between like 2018 and 00:13:24.320 2020 maybe but so so but that's kind of 00:13:27.320 my perspective is like like Max won the 00:13:29.639 title like we don't have a lot of like 00:13:32.839 even then we don't have a lot of people 00:13:34.600 who are like young young faces there's 00:13:37.800 no doc green who's a rookie world 00:13:39.720 champion or you know what I mean so it's 00:13:41.760 like kind of hard to say that anyone 00:13:43.920 could ever get to eight if if we're 00:13:45.639 really looking at it objectively um I 00:13:48.519 mean 00:13:50.079 like given the opportunity I could see 00:13:53.079 someone like Buck winning a couple of 00:13:54.959 them but I don't I don't know they'll 00:13:56.320 stick around to get to eight he's a good 00:13:58.320 worker he does his thing you know what I 00:14:00.480 mean but that's all super presumptive 00:14:02.360 that he even makes it that far and gets 00:14:04.440 gets to that level and the whole entire 00:14:06.440 thing of our current like main event I 00:14:08.759 don't see it I just don't think people 00:14:10.440 want the title like if Russ Cole wanted 00:14:12.480 to do it Russ Cole could probably win 00:14:14.519 the title eight [ __ ] times you know 00:14:16.440 sorry for all the cursing but he could 00:14:18.600 probably win the title eight times but I 00:14:20.560 don't think he has the will or the want 00:14:22.199 to do it right like you could probably 00:14:24.680 say that about a couple of people um who 00:14:27.360 who are in that position 00:14:29.720 uh you know courts if he was stuck 00:14:32.680 sticking around probably could have won 00:14:34.040 the title eight times but he's not going 00:14:36.279 to we we all know that that's probably 00:14:38.079 not going to happen unless we get a like 00:14:40.600 a a reboot for Jake and here he comes 00:14:42.959 you know what I mean so so as far as 00:14:45.720 like the know current Main Event crop 00:14:47.440 people Rex I mean Rex Rex would I I 00:14:50.800 would make the argument probably has the 00:14:52.000 best chance just because he wins and 00:14:53.600 loses the title his Reigns aren't very B 00:14:56.279 you know what I mean so he could win at 00:14:58.680 a couple more times and lose it pretty 00:15:00.639 quickly at least historically his Reigns 00:15:02.279 haven't been very long you know what I 00:15:04.279 mean so to get to eight it's not 00:15:07.399 necessarily you were a great reigning 00:15:09.240 Champion it's just you were in the 00:15:10.480 position and you you know won the title 00:15:13.720 you lost it you won the title you lost 00:15:15.320 it type thing that's that's probably 00:15:17.000 what's going to get you to eight not 00:15:18.160 what you're doing defending the title 00:15:20.360 six seven eight times in a single title 00:15:22.519 rign like you know what I mean so you 00:15:25.279 could throw that out there I mean 00:15:26.839 Sheldon's young Sheldon you know could 00:15:29.440 potentially be a two-time ocup world 00:15:31.720 champion pretty soon at a young age 00:15:33.720 right which would put put him in 00:15:35.639 position obviously to be one of those 00:15:38.600 leading names if he can beat Al parka so 00:15:42.920 you know those are kind of the modern 00:15:44.920 names I just don't think the main event 00:15:47.079 scene has those guys that are really 00:15:49.440 interested in the title after they've 00:15:50.800 won it two or three times you know what 00:15:53.079 I mean um how many world titles do a 00:15:57.000 won say that again say that again how 00:15:59.480 many world titles has C won okay 00:16:03.319 so nice little segue here um because 00:16:06.319 Cass was was was the next person I was 00:16:08.360 going to talk about here um so Cass has 00:16:11.199 won the 00:16:12.639 ocw championship one time and we're 00:16:15.600 we're going to talk about that in just a 00:16:16.880 second actually uh and then he has won 00:16:19.319 the CCW 00:16:21.279 Championship um twice but then he also 00:16:25.480 had held the turmoil Championship which 00:16:28.519 is a title that has since been retired 00:16:32.160 uh for plethora of reason so he's 00:16:34.800 technically at four uh and there are a 00:16:38.360 couple of people that are tight at four 00:16:40.759 if you ask Jay that doesn't count 00:16:43.160 but well you if you ask Cass it does so 00:16:48.160 no but the people who are tied at four 00:16:51.240 right now for World title Reigns are are 00:16:53.560 Bingo 00:16:54.680 quartz uh Cass um H2O 00:16:59.480 and 00:17:01.319 Aries if I'm looking at this right and 00:17:04.839 Paul Pew and Paul Pew so there is a a 00:17:08.119 few people who are at four but I think 00:17:11.799 you're I think you're right you're 00:17:12.760 probably right it's the likelihood of 00:17:14.559 someone getting to eight of being around 00:17:17.559 long enough to do that and then you know 00:17:19.839 winning losing winning losing going back 00:17:21.559 and forth uh it's just not the way that 00:17:24.000 things have genuinely been run so 00:17:26.959 anyways that that got me to to the next 00:17:29.320 point because the other thing that I 00:17:31.280 wanted to talk about here um you know 00:17:35.200 the the the whole reason why this got 00:17:37.120 brought up and we started looking 00:17:38.440 through this Champion history project is 00:17:42.000 it's like okay so who's the most 00:17:43.679 impressive you're looking pre 2018 and 00:17:46.760 then post 2018 you know some really 00:17:49.160 defined ways of of like navigating this 00:17:53.200 is when ocw started doing this um this 00:17:55.760 is when this started happening with an 00:17:56.960 ocw so what was the most impressive 00:17:59.320 World title modern day run AKA 2018 to 00:18:03.480 current days 00:18:05.400 and my pick um was cidy Hayes so Cassidy 00:18:10.840 Hayes was was the first person full stop 00:18:15.000 not not just CCW not just um not just 00:18:18.440 ocw but the first person overall to hold 00:18:21.919 a world title for over 300 days uh he he 00:18:25.679 won it at chill factor 2017 he lost it 00:18:28.200 at devil Knight 00:18:30.280 2018 and impressively he def he he 00:18:33.919 defended it nine times and and that 00:18:36.080 became a new record like as far as I can 00:18:38.400 find you know Leon held the record at 7 00:18:41.640 uh and then Cass broke that record at at 00:18:45.600 n and he defeated uh 00:18:49.120 mugan he won he defended in The Hoot 00:18:51.960 chamber uh he defended against Shawn 00:18:54.559 McGee he defended it uh successfully 00:18:57.320 against the Jesus 00:18:59.400 um he successfully defended it against 00:19:02.000 KD and KD again and then he defended in 00:19:04.679 another multi-man match against um oh no 00:19:08.200 before that he defended against spider 00:19:10.159 and then he defended against H2O and 00:19:12.039 spider in a triple threat match and then 00:19:13.760 he defended against spider again I'm 00:19:15.880 pretty sure I said nine and that came 00:19:18.440 out to nine I might be wrong um I might 00:19:21.360 have said somebody's name multiple times 00:19:22.840 the point is he defended it not only 00:19:25.440 just like one-on-one nine times but he 00:19:27.640 defended it in in multi-on matches and 00:19:30.640 that's really freaking impressive so 00:19:33.240 whenever somebody asked me like a 00:19:35.159 question like that cuz it was asked 00:19:36.520 recently bolock was like Hey you know 00:19:39.280 who who had the longest rain um he 00:19:42.159 doesn't have the longest rain anymore 00:19:43.720 obviously but to me that first rain 00:19:46.799 getting over 300 days to me that's the 00:19:49.520 most impressive one you know 2018 the 00:19:52.880 current Bar None yeah so the triple 00:19:54.960 threat match you're about to have it 00:19:56.320 makes a lot more sense now oh yeah and 00:19:59.559 it kind of exists separately from it I 00:20:03.360 mean it aids it even if it exists 00:20:05.400 separately you know they they they 00:20:07.120 complement each other you know what I 00:20:08.480 mean in terms of trying to strengthen 00:20:10.799 the title run and then the story itself 00:20:12.520 you know what I mean so it just it's a 00:20:14.919 happy accident that works out then you 00:20:17.080 know that's something that um has 00:20:20.480 developed naturally been waiting for 00:20:22.280 years and years and years to get to um 00:20:25.400 so I'm really looking forward to like 00:20:27.280 things unfolding in in that regards um 00:20:30.520 but in my first well when I had my 00:20:33.159 longer rign I didn't have any uh triple 00:20:36.159 threats or multi-man matches so this 00:20:39.080 will be my first defense in uh in 00:20:41.760 regards to a triple threat like that 00:20:44.520 so from your perspective though I'm 00:20:47.200 really curious about how you feel Modern 00:20:50.799 Day from your perspective when you look 00:20:52.799 back like you pre not not pre but you 00:20:55.640 know post 00:20:56.919 2018 you know what stand out to you 00:20:59.840 we've already talked about before what 00:21:01.600 about you know 00:21:03.559 nowadays uh H2O run with the ocw title I 00:21:07.679 went back and watched some of that uh 00:21:09.280 his long run I forget exactly how long 00:21:11.080 it was but it was quite 00:21:12.679 impressive uh it stuck out to me as one 00:21:15.159 of the times that someone really like 00:21:17.120 you know dominated for like a year 00:21:18.799 longall essentially right uh it 00:21:22.000 definitely stood out to me in that 00:21:24.000 respect and to give uh Aries some credit 00:21:28.640 his run from last season had it not been 00:21:30.919 cut short could have been one of those 00:21:32.720 runs too he had put put down some people 00:21:36.600 you know he put down Sheldon to gain the 00:21:39.000 title I think he fought him again and 00:21:41.200 there was Owen and Russ Cole and it was 00:21:43.840 kind of setting up eventually obviously 00:21:45.520 for it to be him and El parka you know 00:21:47.880 we'll never know what that history looks 00:21:49.360 like um you know but that one got cut 00:21:51.360 short you know but I got to see that in 00:21:53.559 real time and thought it was some you 00:21:55.320 know impressive work in that respect uh 00:21:58.720 uh you know as far as the rest of them 00:22:01.440 rust had a really impressive 00:22:03.640 Championship run I thought in modern era 00:22:06.320 too where he won the ocw championship 00:22:10.240 and held it for quite a while before he 00:22:11.760 lost in 00:22:13.159 Sheldon so a lot more like lengthy title 00:22:16.840 runs like you said in the modern era you 00:22:19.760 know as far as the ocw title is 00:22:23.279 concerned so that's kind of what I saw 00:22:26.279 and what what has impressed me about 00:22:28.240 that list and just kind of going back 00:22:30.039 and watching some of the old 00:22:30.960 pay-per-views and and just run UPS to 00:22:33.480 the pay-per-views to see you know what 00:22:35.919 people were doing at that time uh so 00:22:38.279 really kind of H2O for you know was the 00:22:40.679 biggest one that stuck out to me in 00:22:42.799 terms of a champion and like a long 00:22:45.240 reing Champion that signified kind of 00:22:47.840 the production era I know courts had a 00:22:49.840 pretty decent run at one point 00:22:52.720 too oh absolutely uh cord did um so I'm 00:22:57.360 not going to steal any Thunder from 00:22:59.320 anybody else but you know there's other 00:23:01.360 names that want to get talked about and 00:23:04.039 uh I know that that perks has uh 00:23:07.760 specific people he wants to to talk 00:23:10.000 about and their Reigns and stuff and um 00:23:12.840 quartz is definitely one of those names 00:23:14.640 and and there's no way that you can 00:23:16.200 really I I'm pretty sure I did the math 00:23:17.880 here um not too long ago and that it 00:23:20.400 came out that quartz has the 00:23:22.600 longest uh amount of time as a as a as a 00:23:26.840 champion in ocw like by days so he his 00:23:32.520 it is amazing the amount of things that 00:23:34.240 he's done just 00:23:36.919 behind but as a competitor as well like 00:23:39.960 it's very impressive what he's done 00:23:42.200 there's you know a lot of names that you 00:23:43.440 mention and stuff and that's one of the 00:23:45.600 things that you know stands out to me 00:23:47.440 there hasn't been as many like we kind 00:23:50.840 of got into this back and forth for a 00:23:53.200 while there's of you know titles kind of 00:23:55.840 been getting passed around a lot more 00:23:57.880 frequently 00:23:59.039 now there hasn't really been a run of 00:24:02.279 dominant champions in the 00:24:05.039 ocw um division uh since since quartz at 00:24:09.960 371 nobody's gone over 300 days since 00:24:13.440 then um in the CCW Championship nobody's 00:24:16.799 gone over 300 days uh since Antonio back 00:24:21.000 in 00:24:22.240 2021 so there's kind of been a little 00:24:25.600 bit more exchanging of the titles back 00:24:27.960 and forth so you know it's fun to watch 00:24:30.240 though I like the 00:24:31.520 unpredictability of what ocw can bring 00:24:33.919 to it it definitely doesn't get stale 00:24:36.440 that's for 00:24:37.679 sure um is there anything else that you 00:24:41.399 would have interest in talking about 00:24:42.919 that would like relate to the 00:24:44.080 conversation that we just 00:24:46.880 had uh I mean if you're talking about 00:24:49.159 Championship rigns um I what what all 00:24:52.360 has always entri me has been the m m car 00:24:54.520 titles and what happens there um you 00:24:57.600 know like North American and the 00:24:59.320 International Championship you want to 00:25:01.240 talk about Hot Potato those things are 00:25:04.000 hot 00:25:06.200 potatoes well I think it makes sense 00:25:09.240 that they are though because that's uh 00:25:11.760 one they seem to you know the world 00:25:14.600 titles seem to get reserved for okay 00:25:16.840 they're going to be defended at 00:25:18.640 pay-per-views whereas you know North 00:25:20.600 American International Championship um 00:25:24.320 those are things 00:25:25.799 that I don't know it seems to fit more 00:25:27.880 naturally to the idea of well they can 00:25:29.679 be defended upon a uh traditional uh 00:25:32.600 television show um like for instance you 00:25:36.120 know you look at the International 00:25:37.480 Championship I'm looking back through 00:25:38.960 the history um 00:25:42.080 and Sheldon won it at Riot um Buck won 00:25:46.880 it at Riot mugan won it at Riot that's 00:25:50.000 you know that's not really something you 00:25:51.559 see in the world titles division um 00:25:55.360 North American Title um Paul Boule won 00:25:59.120 it at turmoil 300 uh Telos won it at a 00:26:02.799 turmoil Ceno won it at a turmoil um the 00:26:06.720 world the the woman's Pride title was 00:26:09.159 literally just defended um at our last 00:26:13.080 Riot and stuff so as I'm looking through 00:26:16.039 all these you know there's a lot more 00:26:18.399 defenses that are taking place on on you 00:26:21.640 know on television you know with the 00:26:24.600 turmoil and and Ryan stuff and that just 00:26:26.480 doesn't happen as much as a matter of 00:26:28.799 fact I'm going back through this to look 00:26:30.960 through the first when's the last time 00:26:33.240 that the ocw title changed hands on a 00:26:37.240 turmoil or a riot and there hasn't been 00:26:41.600 in the last two years I can promise you 00:26:43.240 that 2017 there was a 00:26:46.720 um a bit of 00:26:48.880 a uh that one we're not going to talk 00:26:50.960 about so I'm going to keep going um 00:26:52.559 Drago Caesar Riot 443 defeats Paul Pew 00:26:56.960 so that's 2006 00:26:59.200 for the 00:27:01.159 CCW you bring upo Caesar sorry to Pivot 00:27:04.080 on you go ahead I saw that that Drago 00:27:07.279 had the title the ocw title for like 00:27:09.000 eight months and then he vacated 00:27:11.799 it 00:27:13.960 okay 00:27:15.559 um yeah okay um we're not going to talk 00:27:19.720 about that one because I'm unprepared 00:27:21.120 and that that is like a literally a 00:27:22.799 whole 00:27:23.640 new can of worms that would be such I 00:27:27.919 such Divergent and the person best 00:27:30.799 suited to tell that story is is Drago 00:27:34.000 Caesar and he's you know talked about 00:27:36.720 before as well that entire situation 00:27:39.960 that came out if I'm remembering this 00:27:41.559 correctly 00:27:43.039 um then definitely something that would 00:27:46.039 like open up a whole can of worms like 00:27:48.360 that's that's a whole other episode that 00:27:50.640 could be talked about right there I'm 00:27:52.720 not I'm not trying to start drama this 00:27:54.320 afternoon so love you Mel yes yes okay 00:27:57.760 so point is the midcard titles uh 00:28:01.799 seemingly get defended more I wouldn't 00:28:04.320 say randomly but um certainly uh much 00:28:08.480 more prevalent that they were a defense 00:28:10.600 will take place on one of the shows and 00:28:13.039 not the pay-per-views so that being said 00:28:15.840 overall I think that kind of plays 00:28:18.080 naturally into it but I also think 00:28:19.600 that's a good thing right because you 00:28:21.760 know M cart you're trying to see who's 00:28:24.360 capable of holding these like stepping 00:28:26.159 up who's you know somebody that will 00:28:28.399 transition naturally and well to higher 00:28:31.080 up the card um so these are all things 00:28:34.640 that would make sense for why it would 00:28:36.360 be more of a as you said Hot Potato um 00:28:40.559 but there's been some notable longer 00:28:42.039 range there um perks you know um held it 00:28:45.960 for 335 days according to this 00:28:49.120 spreadsheet although there's you know a 00:28:51.320 debate about that but I'm not going to 00:28:52.880 get into that um so perks held it for 00:28:55.519 quite some time and uh that was the 00:28:57.679 international 00:28:58.799 title and I 00:29:01.240 don't know how many defenses he had I do 00:29:04.320 know that Jamie does not let him forget 00:29:06.919 that he came up a short on going for a 00:29:09.519 full year um the hardcore division one 00:29:14.159 time and there's no information in the 00:29:16.039 hardcore division that's you know that's 00:29:17.559 a bigger project um I I've heard the of 00:29:21.039 the mythical Barker holding it and doing 00:29:24.080 some really freaking crazy things with 00:29:26.200 it for a long length of time 00:29:31.120 um but yeah like like the Tag Team 00:29:35.960 titles although I think the Tag Team 00:29:37.279 titles don't really deserve to kind of 00:29:39.240 get stated as midcard titles I don't 00:29:41.760 know those are I would think of those as 00:29:43.720 like floating right like depends on 00:29:46.760 who's holding it so I mean not all teams 00:29:49.880 are created equal you know like I think 00:29:52.080 the CPC runs are really like talked 00:29:54.480 about in a legendary way Lucha country 00:29:57.399 for example 00:29:59.000 uh you know all of those things but I 00:30:01.320 mean there have been some rins that 00:30:03.640 maybe were you know they they kind of 00:30:06.480 did a lot more back and forth I feel 00:30:08.159 like the Tag Team titles have been a lot 00:30:10.399 more stable in the time I think in the 00:30:13.320 in the two years I've been here almost I 00:30:15.000 think there's been four set of tag Pi 00:30:16.960 that's it it was when I came in it was 00:30:19.399 Max storage okay and then the future 00:30:21.600 idiots beat Max storage and then great 00:30:24.000 Glory beat them in the triple threat and 00:30:26.880 then obviously Mass Effect beat them to 00:30:28.720 retire them so those are the four sets 00:30:30.600 of Champions have been here in the last 00:30:32.039 18 months or two years you know what I 00:30:33.960 mean yeah and I feel like a lot of 00:30:36.760 people talk about the Tag Division like 00:30:39.039 it it's it's when people talk about the 00:30:42.159 Tag Division it really seems to exist in 00:30:47.000 this um state of hyperbole um it's 00:30:51.519 either it's amazing the division is 00:30:53.480 great it's awesome or it's the division 00:30:56.480 suffering is terrible it's just not 00:30:58.159 going well like there there very rarely 00:31:00.399 seems to be an in between and and how 00:31:03.039 people look upon the division and I for 00:31:07.320 me I don't really get caught up too much 00:31:09.279 in that hyperbole for me it's like okay 00:31:11.159 this you know there's um if there if 00:31:13.399 there's a feud taking place it's fine 00:31:15.480 it's good um and 00:31:18.120 then people look behind it there's like 00:31:20.480 there's nobody else there's like there's 00:31:22.440 no Challengers after this and stuff it's 00:31:24.360 like well that's the way it's kind of 00:31:27.080 always been in ocw there's been defin 00:31:30.120 there's definitely been moments where 00:31:32.200 there's three or four maybe five even 00:31:34.600 six tag um uh tag teams and they're all 00:31:39.399 like jockeying for position and it 00:31:41.159 wasn't so long ago that we we had that 00:31:43.760 like it wasn't so long ago where we we 00:31:47.639 had you know gr and glory and uh Max 00:31:50.480 storage was just getting done future 00:31:52.360 idiots Mass Effect come in there sanct 00:31:55.000 them like it it's not that far removed 00:31:57.200 from having a very uh deep Tag Division 00:32:01.120 I mean I think we have a pretty deep Tag 00:32:02.960 Division at this point if you really 00:32:04.399 look at it there are some teams that are 00:32:05.919 formed you know uh you got good old 00:32:08.240 [ __ ] click Bay over there um we'll 00:32:10.440 see what they do right so you got click 00:32:13.720 Bay you've got underground Elite with 00:32:15.639 Eddie and uh and AC kber Jr um you've 00:32:20.080 got obviously the Champs Mass Effect uh 00:32:23.480 you know ccom if they come out of this 00:32:26.200 could potentially factor in there future 00:32:28.279 if they chose to uh I think really you 00:32:31.120 know like DNS you can throw us in there 00:32:33.519 we could be a tag team in any capacity 00:32:36.200 if you want us to be I mean we kind of 00:32:38.440 get thrown in there by default in that 00:32:40.639 respect um and then really kind of the 00:32:43.159 dark hes of the division after Perfect 00:32:45.320 Storm kind of went away is the lobby if 00:32:48.720 the lobby ever decided to actually step 00:32:50.559 up into the tag team title picture they 00:32:52.240 could honestly probably be some pretty 00:32:55.320 long ring tag te Champions you know what 00:32:57.399 I mean so I think really if they ever 00:32:59.080 got into the picture they would 00:33:00.600 definitely up the titles and the 00:33:02.480 discussion around the division a lot 00:33:04.480 more right now they're kind of doing 00:33:06.159 like the Legends tag thing and back and 00:33:11.120 forth they got serious about 00:33:16.000 it if you read the most recent if you 00:33:19.639 read the most recent Riot um or most 00:33:23.000 recent terminal sorry and you read the 00:33:24.639 promo by uh Pew uh R is like asking him 00:33:29.080 hey what about the T titles and and Pew 00:33:33.679 is like no no I'm I'm in my Prime I'm 00:33:37.360 doing great I'm on a hot streak we got 00:33:39.639 to ride this we it can be the Free 00:33:43.039 Bird I can't do holy 00:33:46.919 [ __ ] I can't do what I would imagine Pew 00:33:49.760 sounds like so like he's he's talking 00:33:52.200 about you know let's be Freebird 00:33:53.919 Champions let's let's make sure that we 00:33:56.240 take the title away from you and we can 00:33:58.600 like defend it together and Russell's 00:33:59.840 like what wait what what about the T 00:34:01.720 titles and he's like no no that's that's 00:34:04.159 later that comes next um so we'll see 00:34:09.599 right like it's it's obviously a tag 00:34:11.560 team that has a lot of potential legs 00:34:13.960 and stuff so but what I meant to say and 00:34:17.399 or what I was getting at earlier is that 00:34:20.239 it doesn't really matter to me how many 00:34:23.159 tag teams there are um if you have 00:34:28.280 if you have three h you can get P was 00:34:31.839 two if you have three you 00:34:35.320 have you have two feuds and the way that 00:34:38.280 you can navigate those can become very 00:34:41.320 interesting and mixing and matching and 00:34:43.239 it it could go for quite some time um 00:34:48.879 so I I don't I don't I don't get 00:34:51.560 involved in that 00:34:52.960 like take div Vision I also I forgot to 00:34:56.599 Pivot by the way I I forgot the pivot on 00:34:59.560 top of that there's probably a few 00:35:02.640 Tac yes yes of course uh we have the 00:35:05.800 pivot as well so yes there are a lot of 00:35:07.880 tag teams 00:35:08.960 so perfectly healthy it's in a good spot 00:35:12.920 so I I never 00:35:14.920 do I maybe I shouldn't say never because 00:35:17.839 chances are I have bitched the moaned in 00:35:19.520 the past about it but as of right now 00:35:22.040 like there's nothing wrong with it it's 00:35:24.119 in a good spot I'm happy with it um even 00:35:27.359 though Pride title like okay yeah long 00:35:31.680 time between 00:35:33.040 defenses um I get it understand it um I 00:35:37.560 mean Jamie stepped up and defended the 00:35:39.240 title twice in two weeks so I mean I'll 00:35:41.400 give him this do on that 00:35:44.800 one right happened it's over like moving 00:35:48.480 on okay what happens next um that's you 00:35:52.960 know that's the question that gets asked 00:35:56.440 um and and I 00:36:00.319 have there's nothing to say there's 00:36:02.599 nothing to say about it I know like tiby 00:36:04.119 said that he regrets bringing in I don't 00:36:06.240 regret I'm bringing it in um I'm not I'm 00:36:08.800 not somebody that says let's wait and 00:36:10.200 see what happens like i' I've learned 00:36:11.880 that this just not the right mentality 00:36:14.240 to have but I am somebody who does okay 00:36:18.680 why did this happen like is there a 00:36:21.599 reason for it and when the reasons start 00:36:24.359 to get okay this is what happened behind 00:36:26.119 the scenes that's when I like Mo myself 00:36:28.160 it's like okay I don't I don't need to 00:36:29.800 know like I don't need to know what 00:36:31.760 happened behind the scenes like X Y and 00:36:33.800 Z happened not my business I'm okay with 00:36:36.319 that not being my business uh so that's 00:36:39.720 why I uh that's why I don't say let's 00:36:41.920 wait and see what happens but I also 00:36:44.119 Reserve myself from getting involved in 00:36:47.079 uh other P other people's personal uh 00:36:49.960 things that pop up because this was a 00:36:52.240 conversation I I talked with I think it 00:36:54.280 was bck I think bck said asked something 00:36:56.480 like this like he what title is in the 00:36:58.920 best position right now being good team 00:37:01.359 you know other titles and I I don't know 00:37:04.359 which one's in the best position it 00:37:06.040 doesn't I mean I'm happy with I really 00:37:08.640 liked El parka and Max Edwards Feud so 00:37:12.240 like ocw title's healthy to me uh 00:37:16.560 obviously I feel really enjoying my time 00:37:19.760 with the CCW title and that's rare like 00:37:23.079 it is to it is really rare actually like 00:37:25.720 I a lot of us get like we win the title 00:37:28.119 and then we're like oh this [ __ ] 00:37:29.359 sucks um and even during like my third 00:37:33.800 one which was my best one like it got to 00:37:35.880 a point where 00:37:37.119 like godam yeah it becomes anchor I 00:37:41.240 understand that I understand that 00:37:44.319 being it does but I'm really enjoying it 00:37:46.599 right now uh I get to work with I've 00:37:49.040 worked with some really diverse people 00:37:50.760 you know from Doc Russ you um obviously 00:37:55.960 Antonio uh C Rex like that's a that's a 00:38:00.160 diverse crew like I get to work with a 00:38:01.560 lot of different people it's a lot of 00:38:02.640 different perspectives a lot of 00:38:03.720 different ideas and and that keeps 00:38:05.880 things really fresh for me so I'm 00:38:08.200 enjoying that uh North American with 00:38:10.920 with Jinx I was kind of sad to see Ceno 00:38:12.920 lose it actually I really kind of 00:38:15.000 thought like his what he was doing was 00:38:19.599 was was like the title was helping him 00:38:22.280 to develop as a character which you know 00:38:24.240 isn't necessarily a good thing um 00:38:26.240 because you're supposed to like you know 00:38:28.280 develop uh with the title or you're 00:38:30.280 supposed to bring it to new heights as I 00:38:31.839 say um but I was really starting to dig 00:38:34.920 the see note uh development uh but you 00:38:37.680 know the ongoing thing with him Jinx uh 00:38:41.920 I'm very happy with uh the international 00:38:44.319 title Fe H by mugan uh it pisses me off 00:38:47.880 on so many levels do you want to get 00:38:50.680 into the baby face versus Heel 00:38:52.720 conversation because that's where you're 00:38:53.920 going when you talk about the North 00:38:55.040 American 00:38:56.280 Title yeah yes yes um no I do not want 00:39:00.160 to get into that talk right now actually 00:39:01.880 at all uh there's not enough baby faces 00:39:04.280 in ocw that is you know I'm I'm clearcut 00:39:08.280 100% there're not enough baby faces 00:39:10.040 there's too many cool heels um I I know 00:39:13.440 that someone said this recently and then 00:39:14.760 Jay came into the chat he's like name 00:39:16.359 them name them okay well let's name him 00:39:19.599 um you know bolock definitely trying to 00:39:22.200 be cool M's just he's not he's not cool 00:39:25.480 he's not even he's not an evil genius 00:39:28.200 he's 00:39:29.520 evil I love muin but I can't so he his 00:39:33.760 character almost borders on scumbag with 00:39:35.680 some of the [ __ ] he does like stealing 00:39:37.200 the international title opportunity from 00:39:39.160 Nate Ortiz like signing contract like I 00:39:43.599 saw a lot of like scumbaggery in there 00:39:46.800 that that title division is so confusing 00:39:49.079 for me because I really like mugen's 00:39:51.800 character and I really like Pew's 00:39:54.119 character and I really like Russ's 00:39:56.280 character 00:39:57.920 and and I like I like them all like I'm 00:40:01.119 really H I like Nate Ortiz too uh a lot 00:40:04.079 and like seeing Nate Ortiz and and uh 00:40:06.640 Pew still going all these years later it 00:40:10.240 just makes me all inside like warm and 00:40:12.680 fuzzy and cuddly like I love it um I I 00:40:16.040 really do love it I completely got 00:40:17.440 sidetracked so like I'm trying to name 00:40:19.040 off like two cool heels so like you know 00:40:22.079 okay so Bullocks kind of like that 00:40:24.079 sometimes not sometimes all the time um 00:40:27.640 Russ could even maybe like be defining 00:40:29.880 that he spent most of his time kind of 00:40:31.319 being like that I 00:40:33.480 mean this point I would say no I 00:40:35.720 wouldn't consider 00:40:37.079 rust you know but 00:40:39.720 maybe not now anymore I don't I don't 00:40:42.440 know like there's a lot the the thing is 00:40:45.280 you say there's a lot and then you look 00:40:46.640 at it's like well is this person really 00:40:48.720 I don't know I don't but I mean I think 00:40:50.720 the honest conversation is that like if 00:40:52.640 you're really looking at it um there are 00:40:54.760 people who don't really commit you know 00:40:56.839 what I mean like there are people who 00:40:58.280 give you John Carter is a great example 00:41:00.040 someone who's a confounding character 00:41:01.560 because one week he'll make his like 00:41:03.359 real baby face stand and then the next 00:41:05.079 week he's a dumb douchebag or whatever 00:41:08.040 you want to call like you know what I 00:41:09.160 mean like and that's like I like John 00:41:11.720 Carter like I like person but like 00:41:14.520 that's been confounding about his 00:41:16.240 character for me like this entire time 00:41:18.200 that I've been following mostly like one 00:41:20.800 week he'll be like Oh I'm a nice guy the 00:41:23.079 next week he'll be like Oh I'm a bad guy 00:41:25.400 you know just by his actions all right 00:41:27.880 well here's the thing though you're 00:41:29.319 starting 00:41:30.280 to this is a whole another cast I'm I'm 00:41:33.480 starting to beer I'm starting to beer 00:41:35.200 off I got this timer going here that 00:41:37.359 tells me I need to be done like very 00:41:40.319 soon and you're talking about stuff that 00:41:42.319 could literally 00:41:43.560 go um for another hour because oddly 00:41:47.760 enough I think you were the person like 00:41:50.960 we did this we like you asked me Adam 00:41:54.079 how many faces are there okay's let's I 00:41:57.440 don't let's pull up the spreadsheet 00:41:59.119 let's take a look here and you're like 00:42:02.000 oh no no no no maybe kind of sort of and 00:42:07.560 then it's like you count Pew as a face I 00:42:10.480 count Pew as a face do you count Pew as 00:42:12.599 a face and like I think he's a face but 00:42:18.240 I would think a lot of people wouldn't 00:42:20.400 so that's the point like this that's 00:42:23.200 could be a very long talk and we can't 00:42:25.760 have that because well that's fine we 00:42:28.839 we'll reconvene at some point for that 00:42:30.319 talk okay we we are going to reconvene 00:42:32.079 though so all right 00:42:33.800 so uh well [ __ ] like okay the point is 00:42:39.640 the point is casses have the most 00:42:42.359 impressive title run of all time and 00:42:44.200 that is it that's fin there's no there's 00:42:46.480 nothing more to be said about that so uh 00:42:49.160 you can agree or you can disagree with 00:42:50.640 that uh I'm okay with you disagreeing 00:42:52.760 with me because I will uppercut you to 00:42:54.920 death again hopefully you don't crash 00:42:57.599 and rage 00:43:01.160 now no all right all right so this has 00:43:04.160 been fun thank you so much for like 00:43:05.640 joining me um we don't even got I don't 00:43:07.240 even have a [ __ ] name for this perks 00:43:08.680 don't even have a name for this next 00:43:10.040 week perks is gonna get with me here and 00:43:12.200 he is gonna he's going to be mad at me 00:43:14.880 for like doing this probably but that's 00:43:16.760 okay because I didn't talk about his 00:43:18.559 stuff and now he's going to have context 00:43:20.359 he's going to be like uh this is why 00:43:21.960 you're wrong this is why you're wrong 00:43:23.319 this is why you're wrong this is why 00:43:24.520 you're wrong he's going to be a nice 00:43:25.640 little Gremlin and look forward to 00:43:27.720 hearing him tell me why I am wrong 00:43:29.559 because I did not talk on quite a few 00:43:32.160 things that he wants to discuss so Jimmy 00:43:36.079 I'm interested to hear it I'm interested 00:43:37.880 to hear it yes Jimmy thank you for 00:43:41.359 joining me because uh Lord have mercy no 00:43:43.559 one wants to listen to me talk for 45 00:43:45.400 minutes on my 00:43:46.640 own oh listen I uh I enjoy talking to 00:43:50.119 you out 00:43:53.000 of yeah you cut out a lot there so you 00:43:55.599 might have said you like talking to me 00:43:57.319 but nobody heard it so I do I do like 00:44:00.040 talking to you so so everybody can hear 00:44:03.079 it um you 00:44:05.680 know all the all the all the BSS side uh 00:44:09.880 the people I like the most are the ones 00:44:11.440 I actually give [ __ ] to 00:44:14.800 so 00:44:16.480 so is that why you say such mean things 00:44:19.160 to me okay oh you got it you got it so 00:44:23.200 okay okay all right well thank you for 00:44:25.680 joining me uh I am ending this and if 00:44:28.559 anybody actually did listen all the way 00:44:29.920 through thank you so much 00:44:32.040 bye bye

So factual then?

Not to relight the bonfire but there show discussion in here then people discussing why other peoples opinions are wrong.

OCWFED.com has learned that immediately after Summercide went off the air, El Primero, El Parca remained in the ring celebrating his victory over former friend, Mark Reese. In the background Big Country was seen to be clutching his arm and in great discomfort. Early reports are suggesting a bone contusion within the elbow joint as a direct consequence of El Parca's brutal arm based assault. OCWFED.com hopes to be able to provide an update when Mark has been properly assessed. Regardless, all of us here are hoping for a speedy recovery.

It's a review, like it, don't, enjoy it, make use of it, get butt hurt over it. We open with Bash and his minions coming out having done the old 90's fake face entrance swerve. Good, Bon Jovi is dog shit as an entrance theme. Bash is here to save us from the Matrix, or give us a new sickness. Well, Bingo is here and he's driving like a mad man. Not going to lie, I really hate this "The Daddy" thing, why is he "The Daddy?" Is it because the handler is a dad? Cos there's not been any reasoning as to why Bingo is a Daddy, from what I can recall... Anyway, he smashes his way through DNS, then my ears bleed again because of that theme. I really liked the little look to the camera from B17 before he stripped the table down, if it was deliberate, awesome, if not... Happy accidents. Bash escapes ultimate retribution, fat dick. Next up we have a menagerie akin to what happens when you're force to do a group project at school and the teacher picks your team mates for you. I'm not sure who phoned them to say they're doing a good job, but they are, it's nice to see a new face in the tag division. I don't think PWS being part of this makes much sense, but I guess it's something new to get his teeth into. Petie makes great use of Reesisms. Texas Tough Love usually means beating the shit out of someone though, don't think you want to do that to poor Gabriel. 8 bit montage got a pop from me. Again, maybe a happy accident but Gabriel basically levelled up via I hate entrances without or minimal crowd noise, I feel like Perl is played too similarly to Bash, it was a conversation I had with Rust long ago. Bog standard match, it felt at times that Kira didn't know how to defend herself in some situations. Promo at the end with the voice over was a good touch. A warning for Ashley Blaine, that included a spelling mistake. Then the cool slow motion snow walk ends before the text ends, which I think was a creative choice... And despite the prior tone, I liked it. BAE promo up next, he takes all his gear off to cut his promo for some reason, which on anyone else would look fucking stupid, but he's a dirty white boy so it fits his gimmick. Second match of the night, and it's my favourite Luchador vs. my favourite BEEFYBOY. Eheheheh someone paused. Come oooooon, let him break out of the sub... Oh, he pinned him. Well, I expected Eddie to die, and he didn't, finish was shit. Why would you pin someone after a submission? I'm not really a fan of Holly Hunter, I don't get it, you can roll your eyes and skip past this part if that's how you feel. Very anime ending episode like with the dialogue and the dramatic music. Standard heel promo from Mad Dawg about the Ice Man. I still hate Ice Man looking so clean, but I get that's what happens when you're no longer dealing with a succubus, you get clean. Omen is back from getting his stupid face punched in! Sounds effects were too slapstick, but it's better than none. Very bad night for Omen, that's twice he's had his ass kicked now. The good guys stand tall though, which I always like. I really like the Megan Suzuki CAW, not sure on the entrance theme / entrance combo mind you. FloJo is FloJo. I really liked FloJo winding up the dive, I guess FloJo isn't always just FloJo. More competitive than I thought it would be, and an actually palatable finish. Ashley talks like a robot, but hitting her with the FLORENCE was a subtle little heel move. I really enjoyed the ME heel promo, then the chalk and cheese combo of A-Mart and Harris, even the entrance is perfect. The Pivot *lifts sunglasses.* So the next promo, it might feel like I'm being mean, and if you feel that way I am, and it's your fault. [Plagiarism]. I actually liked it, even if it was a bit of a grammatical nightmare at times. I enjoy seeing people that don't normally do work... Well... Do work. Bit of a dark storyline here with Scotty X becoming addicted to painkillers, but y'know what, keep doing work Scotty. Keep. On. Working. Big big win for Dark Reese... I mean PWS. Unsure if Luis was able to defend himself after the initial kick out because his arms do a little spasm that looks sort of like the FISTUPFISTUPFISTUPFISTUASOPTUASOIFUASIOF stupid animation, but inconclusive. C-Note now, the voice is great. Canada's second favourite son. I'm not sure if I'm meant to cheer him or not... Plus he's saying shit, then suddenly won't say fuck... So I guess he's the good guy? Time for the contract signing between Blacksmith and... Oops. Dad died. DNS fought Puro Country, Puro Country won. Bad night for the male members of DNS so far huh? Bolek vs Kass, and Kass is the face, because Bolek is a wanker. Kass' face paint seems to have reached the bottom of the bottle here as it's flaking off, or he just really wants to beat up Bolek. Another beating up of DNS, I love it. I don't blame Kass for going after his stupid face. And I'm stopping here, final page might get reviewed, it might not.

At this time reports are surfacing that OCW Pride Champion, Sue Plex has not travelled to RIOT due to personal reasons. It is understood that management have been briefed on the issue and has requested that the rumour mill does not go into overdrive. The company wish to make it aware that they have been in contact with Sue Plex in regards to the issue and sources state that the much wanted Belle title opportunity will be honoured in due course, regardless of the outcome of the planned Hifumi and Sue Plex matchup. Speculation grows, with some OCW enthusiasts theorising that Sue’s relationship with her wife Terra has become strained due to both her change in attitude, being on the road constantly, and the couple inevitably coming to blows and unmasking Lariette recently on live TV, resulting in her contract being terminated once her identity was revealed. Sources close to the family have said “not to believe any of that hog wash” affirming that the couple are nothing but happy. Sue Plex and Terra Daturas were not avaialble for further comment.

Yeah, could have just tried a normal finisher instead of building up to a super.

We are hours away from the beginning of tonight’s RIOT. The audience are lined up around the corner, however we find ourselves in the backlot of the arena, watching over the back door. A loud voice is heard along with some banging before the door opens, revealing Jordan Trance. He isn’t in his usual garb, opting for some black jeans, black shoes, a white band shirt, suit jacket and a pair of sunglasses. Behind him he drags a small wheeled suitcase. It snags in the door and angrily he yanks it over the threshold. Jordan: Oh, crap. I didn’t think there’d be anyone out here but… It’s not what it looks like, I’ve got a prior arrangement, a gig. It has nothing to do with John Carter being out for blood. Which by the way… Jordan squares up to the camera. Jordan: Is just symptomatic of that charlatan, it just goes to show what kind of a man he is… Trying to attack me on Ambition, after going back on his word that he’d never be back there… Yeah, some man he is. Jordan reaches up and snatches off his shades. Jordan: Look in my eyes John, what do you see… Rhetorical question, you’re not man enough to look me in the eye! You’re out here looking for violence, for revenge? I’m the one that was wrong John. I’m the one that carried you to your dream of being a tag team champion! And after all that I’ve done… Jordan shakes his head, folding his sunglasses up into the front pocket of his suit jacket. Jordan: How is it you repay me? By hogging the spotlight every time I do something good. My dad might not be right often, but he sure as shit wasn’t wrong about you! He sure as shit knew that it’s all got to be the John Carter show, no room for a supporting role… Except… Jordan puts one hand in his jean pocket, idly spinning his case. Jordan: Except… You can blame me for your failures, hang me out to try, make me the scapegoat for losing the tag titles when it was me that won the damn things in the first place! You’re nothing more than the most expensive Italian backpack on the circuit. Jordan shakes his head and reseats his sunglasses. Jordan: You can’t blame me any more though, the future is now, idiot man. Jordan smirks and begins to make his departure. He wheels his case away and stops for a moment looking back over his shoulder. Jordan: Fuck John Carter. And with that, our hero leaves the arena, bravely ensuring that John Carter doesn’t hurt himself in a failed attempt to get revenge.

So at Rumblegrounds will we be having BAE vs. The Womens Roster in a handicap match?

I liked it. It was great.

I just wanted him to post page 2 as at the time I made that reply only page 1 was available

Page 2.