Turmoil 291 - Back 2 Blue!

[H20_]

You may need to consult your video producer. Doesn't really relay "babyface breaking away from oppression" when the crowd is in full +20db BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO as you're attacking John Carter and cutting the promo. The crowd noise for me, completely dictated how that segment was perceived.

 

I made the final edits so it’s my fault for the oversight.

[Maxx Edwards]

I feel like this meta-analysis actively harms your enjoyment of the segment.

 

The logical questions you've asked here are jumping the gun because you're rushing to think about what the ending is going to be.

 

Let us tell the story first, then judge it?

 

 

I don't believe I did any sort of meta analysis. I just analyzed it as a regular viewer with no outside knowledge.

 

 

 

I also never said the story was a wash off the jump. I just didn't like THIS specific segment because of what I feel it sets up.

[Colin Locke]

'Meta-analysis' is kind of a non-criticism, to be honest, things'll be judged based on general media and storytelling conventions and how well something executes or subverts them. I agree that the retirement angle could cause problems, and is probably better suited for TV wrestling's pre-determined nature, as it does point to one particular ending (which I won't spoil in case that ends up playing out here), and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out if Aisu wins, and then has a title to work with.

 

And speaking of meta, I think Maxx's discussion of Harri/Marisa is a great reason why we should discuss the metagame, and why it'd be healthy to do so as the new games roll out. I think something that's gone underappreciated about 2k22 is how unpredictable it's designed to be. Assuming perfect play, a 2k19 match is over once the first move is hit, whereas a perfect play 2k22 match will be a five star classic decided by the stun metre. Obviously, none of us are robots, so we'll make mistakes, or we'll give our opponent's an 'in', so we aren't just squashing them, and when that happens, the momentum swings are bigger, more dramatic, and offering majors, 'ins', and other flavour stuff doesn't put us at the advantage it sometimes did in 2k19. Not a perfect game, but it gives moments like this a chance, Ry played incredibly well, really loved working with him, and the win was very well deserved, the women's division's looking amazing from here.

 

Regarding the Marcus audio, that is a shame now I've seen Harvey explain his intentions, as I reckon if the crowd noise was more 'Woo, Marcus is good, beat John up' that'd be a great moment for both Marcus and for John's story. That said, can always be worked with and fixed later on, so if nothing else it's a great sign of things to come for Marcus. I enjoyed C-Note's monologue, too. Despite it going on for ages, it didn't feel out of character, and John just being out of it for that long kind of matches the lap of misfortune story that's been brewing with him, too.

 

In terms of writing, I really enjoyed the Jay/Spider promo, Rust's promo on Harvey (that match'll be a monster), and I reckon CG did an ace job of tying Megan with La Commandante in Megan's promo. In general, great, great show, feel like the break did us some good.

 

Bit weird trying to do reviews when I was in 50% of the matches in this show, but everyone was fantastic to work with, had a great time on VP, and I am hyped for the rebuilt Hito Gui.

[Owen]

Again I don’t see how you think he’s the Monster Heel.

 

Might be all those boo's piped in when Marcus turned on John.

[Owen]

I'll explain how I was using meta analysis.

 

You took OOC information, the "meta" about how OCW works (retirements being a bit of a cliche here) and analysed the segment through the lens of OOC information (what will happen if he wins the title? will he still want to retire?).

 

The segment didn't tell you the match it is building to is a title match. You assumed it because you know one of the characters in the segment is a champion and because of how OCW works, you concluded it'll end up in a title match. We've had matches with champions recently where the title wasn't on the line.

 

OWEN said it sounded like he was about to retire but Aisu never said that. We may never know what Aisu was about to say because he got interrupted.

[Owen]

Allowing OOC stuff to affect enjoyment of an IC product is always a criticism. I know you enjoy that type of stuff but I feel like it hurts enjoyment of content if you peek behind the curtain.

[Colin Locke]

That is really clutching at straws considering that these things are wrestling conventions in general and aren't exclusive to the OCW OOC. If anything, playing to that convention is what I expect will give this story life, and dig into what's going on with Aisu mentally, and how that affects how OWEN is perceived and carries himself as a champion.

 

But yeah, I mean, OWEN could've just been interrupting and now we can't buy the official OCW cereal Aisu-Os from all good retailers and some rubbish ones, now Aisu has to show his moral fibre, as well as his regular fibre to get them back in stores.

 

Either way, I'm never a huge fan of 'no you're critiquing it wrong', I don't think anything good can be picked apart so thoroughly that it becomes bad, and really getting into the guts of how stories are crafted are how we improve.

[Maxx Edwards]

I'll explain how I was using meta analysis.

 

You took OOC information, the "meta" about how OCW works (retirements being a bit of a cliche here) and analysed the segment through the lens of OOC information (what will happen if he wins the title? will he still want to retire?).

 

The segment didn't tell you the match it is building to is a title match. You assumed it because you know one of the characters in the segment is a champion and because of how OCW works, you concluded it'll end up in a title match. We've had matches with champions recently where the title wasn't on the line.

 

OWEN said it sounded like he was about to retire but Aisu never said that. We may never know what Aisu was about to say because he got interrupted.

 

 

I think you're using the words META or OOC when what you mean is "People should take the content in a vaccum". Which I disagree, with but is fair. I don't have any OOC or META information, I have context. Sure, Aisu could have announced he was opening up a hot dog stand in the arena, but I would never think that's gonna be the next step based on what I know about Aisu and Aisu's speech before he got interrupted. It's not META, it's the audience expectation.

 

 

If anyone comes out and starts talking about how great they're career was and starts thanking the people they've worked with, it hints towards them leaving and that goes for outside of OCW. That's not OOC information, that's what's being implied to the audience. Similarly, if I'm watching a wrestling show and two people have a tense confrontation, I expect to see them wrestle at some point. As for titles, that's what the sport is about. Could I see Aisu just wanting to fight OWEN for the sake of it and to "leave it all in the ring"? Maybe. But I could also see Aisu wanting to get the ultimate revenge on OWEN for interrupting him and taking his title since that title should be very important for OWEN.

[Jacob Trance]

Marcus is definitely the heel lmao.

 

John had a shoulder injury too.

 

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse an trying to blend in "editing mistakes" through the fourth wall here or not.

[Tiberius Dupree]

Mr. Marcus is the name of a pornstar from the 90s. He will never been seen as a "good guy" to me.

 

FUCK MARCUS!