OCW Ambition March 2, 2008

[Josiah Cross]

Well, I think it's time for me to chime in on this. First off, I love the whole idea behind this 2nd show. It's a great way to give back to the rooks, and hopefully they take it, and run with it(i'm not saying i'm a vet).

 

As far as this week's show, I liked it. Some solid RPS, the vin/otomo match was my favorite.

 

As for my match, I usually don't comment about me on shows, as I like to hear feedback from 3rd partys, but I indeed liked how the match was going until the ending. Most matches nowadays, even though they look different, with the different wrestlers involved and styles, but they all feel the same. I, in my opinion, love when matches flow very well, and both wrestlers are moving, it makes it feel like they aren't trying to win, yet the match is going well anyway. Sorta hard for me to explain, other than, in some cases, with certain wrestlers, the match might not flow quite right.

 

As, for the ending to the match, I knew from the moment it was done, match should of been re-made, and I should of talked to AJax a bit more about it. I remember my first match, I broke FPR, got suspended for a week, but oh well. :) As much as I wanted to redo the match, in the end I let it slide, may not have been the right thing to do, but AJax deserved the win, he was the better person in that match. For it being only his 2nd match, he did very well. I didn't know what to expect out of him before the match, but I was impressed. I won't bitch, cry, complain, or moan about the loss, other than I hope AJax practices a bit more with the new rules, as should most of the other rooks, and learns the bigger lesson out of this. :)

 

 

EDIT: On a side note....god, I miss 07. :(

 

Well said, and I totally agree with you on last part. Had the match been re-done with perfect FPR how is that teaching any of the rookies who watch anything. Not everyone is going to have FPR down to a T in their first matches. You need mistakes to be made and discussed and learned from. If you re-do all these matches on Ambition for FPR breaks...

 

1. You will get tons of complaints once people find out matches are being re-done.

 

2. Many are going to be rookies and it's only going to be about winning and losing in their first matches so they will do whatever it takes to win (a lot of FPR breaks).

 

3. Like VV said, learn from example, the moral of this show and thread is Dont pick up in double orange and dont hit a finisher in double orange either. Lesson learned. Had the match been re-done other rookies most likely wouldnt have taken any notice to the match. More people have been refreshed or taught the rule because of it.

 

And those are pretty much my final words.

[Nick Kage]

then rookies should fight rookies not people who know FPR. because if broken FPR casues someone who does know fpr to loose how is that fair to that person?

[Josiah Cross]

That is a good point Kage. Maybe we have something where rookies first 3 matches are against other rookies and once theyve played eachother a few times and people get the chance to watch their matches then they are thrown opponents who fully know how FPR works. I dont know thats actually a good question you asked.

 

Added: I think it's equally unfair expecting Rookies to have FPR down in their first matches after only requiering them to read the rules and have one FPR test. It's a lot of pressure put on their sholders to meet the expectations. And to have people like Smythe calling them out like he did for their first matches doesnt help moral I tell you that. Both Mace and A-Jax arent posting anything because they have nothing to say about because they were mistakes...and they can't talk back to people like Smythe who rip them on their first singles matches. I see it both ways as being unfair.

[Nick Kage]

That is a good point Kage. Maybe we have something where rookies first 3 matches are against other rookies and once theyve played eachother a few times and people get the chance to watch their matches then they are thrown opponents who fully know how FPR works. I dont know thats actually a good question you asked.

 

Added: I think it's equally unfair expecting Rookies to have FPR down in their first matches after only requiering them to read the rules and have one FPR test. It's a lot of pressure put on their sholders to meet the expectations. And to have people like Smythe calling them out like he did for their first matches doesnt help moral I tell you that. Both Mace and A-Jax arent posting anything because they have nothing to say about because they were mistakes...and they can't talk back to people like Smythe who rip them on their first singles matches. I see it both ways as being unfair.

 

i get it cross i do but its that balance of making sure its fair for rookies as well as established players. your idea of rookies fighting rookies for their first few matches is good. kinda like vindicator and poe have done.

[Adrian Bold]

Thrilller!..... Thriller night! *Zombie Nates out of thread*

[Josiah Cross]

I just think the whole rookie system and the expectations for first matches is flawed. I think Ambition is a great idea but shouldnt be looked at as a Riot or a Turmoil but as like a boot camp/training show.

 

That way people know rookies will make mistakes and we can watch and help them out with it. Also comment how they improve. Then throw guys like Valmont and Baxter at them after a few matches are under their belt. It's only fair to both.

 

Hell Id love to see Death Row beat BDTT on Riot, but they are unexperienced and that is a BIG match...expectation are high...its not fair to both experienced FPR players and Rookies trying to learn. I just think Ambition need to be re-looked at as like a training facility show.

 

I knew bringing in two rookies and making a faction I would fiind myself in this situation but that was one of the main reasons I did, just to go through this whole process again and see things through their eyes and help develop our rookie system.

[Nick Kage]

I just think the whole rookie system and the expectations for first matches is flawed. I think Ambition is a great idea but shouldnt be looked at as a Riot or a Turmoil but as like a boot camp/training show.

 

That way people know rookies will make mistakes and we can watch and help them out with it. Also comment how they improve. Then throw guys like Valmont and Baxter at them after a few matches are under their belt. It's only fair to both.

 

Hell Id love to see Death Row beat BDTT on Riot, but they are unexperienced and that is a BIG match...expectation are high...its not fair to both experienced FPR players and Rookies trying to learn. I just think Ambition need to be re-looked at as like a training facility show.

 

I knew bringing in two rookies and making a faction I would fiind myself in this situation but that was one of the main reasons I did, just to go through this whole process again and see things through their eyes and help develop our rookie system.

 

 

ambition will help the rookie process very much.

[The Steve]

Wow, a civil discussion in OCW....whoulda thunk it.

 

:p

[The Guy Fausto]

Wow, a civil discussion in OCW....whoulda thunk it.

 

:p

YOU SMELL.

[The Steve]

You're fat.