Pugh

It was Mutha Canuckers I think, which is infinitely better

We've had 3. Technically

C4 is the greatest modern day ocw stable. We aren't a faction, we're not in each others pocket. We just come together when it's required. It's all ingrained in lore, the 3 members' careers are intertwined

C4 can't end. It's a revolving door of Greatness

Sean beat Pugh half to death a few weeks ago so Pugh returned in his face persona to vanquish the beast. Is Pugh even a member of C4? They certainly didn't offer any help when Sean tried to kill him. Who knows

Real talk for a sec - I fully believe you in terms of the pin thing - that wasn't clear, and that's fair enough. There's big chunks missing from the rulebook that were there and just aren't. It also doesn't technically say that you're allowed to finish a match period. That's on whoever updated the thread. I also feel like Mugen probably didn't recognise it as a thing, because in the heat of it, you don't see stuff like that. If Mugen feels aggrieved by it, then you should rematch it. Obviously that wasn't the case at the time, but the combination of the two things (whether you meant it or not) should warrant a rematch if both parties agree to it. And jay needs to fix the fucking rulebook. As for discussion, it is what it is. OCW has been shouty angryfest forever, we don't discuss shows, we review them and then walk out. Have done for years, will keep doing. Just be glad people are even watching shows.

That bit specifically comes from experience with the game. Go back and watch it, Mugen was trapped in the animation. You CAN finish a match off an impact move, then a pin, thats not the issue. In this instance Trance hit his impact move (frog splash) which he then pinned Mugen off. Mugen used resiliency (his Champions perk) and kicked out. At this point, Trance is more than welcome to pin Mugen again, but he can't win off that pin, as its not an impact move, and looks like he's trying to negate the perk that Mugen has as a champion. Granted, Jamie had no way of knowing that Mugen used resiliency, which is a fair comment BUT, the fact remains that he didn't win off an impact move, which is against the rules. The only way you can win directly off a pin (without an impact move) is to use a roll up which is reversible, therefore is a fair "standalone and quick" way to win. Its a ballache when we have to go through FPR, but the grey areas need addressing. This isn't accusatory, its because nobody actually checked the rules and its the first time this has come up. Every time someone else has used a similar combo, they've released the pin. I completely agree, as a "TV ending" its fine, but we have the rules for a reason. Just because you're a heel, doesn't mean you can break the FPR.

But in this instance, he had no way of defending himself. You hadn't hit an impact move, you technically pinned off a pin, which is an illegal win. If the frog splash, then pin ends the phase in which he can lose, then you need to initiate another phase whereby you can win the match, which is done with another move. That's too technical a description, but to the letter of the law that we all play by (and seems to have vanished from the rulebook for whatever reason), you have to hit a move in order to then gain a pin victory. That didn't happen here

No, the finisher is legal. He kicked out of that, so it's not the issue. The fact that you pinned him after is fine for flavour, but you should have released it because you physically cannot reverse mid animation on the ground. That's only the big reversals when you're standing. You should have released it and reset. Yes it's a grey area but if we all recognise you can't win off somethibg that's not reversible, then why is this different? It's an immediate redo in my eyes

Finish after an impact move has never changed, so finish after a pin is illegal. Always. As the video shows, Mugen didn't have the opportunity to reverse, as he was mid animation. It's an immediate redo technically. You won off an irreversible move

As soon as Parker saw The Monster, it was lights out. Fast asleep

Don't forget to add that you have to win off an impact move and not cheese someone by beating them off a pin when they're mid animation and can't reverse!

Its not in the rules so it doesn't matter apparently

Smythe and Arnaud need to have matching shades of red on their attires goodness gravy. Just match. PLEASE!

What are you talking about? I thought we were all supposed to look like a 13 year old dope made our caw?

Also double post. FPR is a shit show. Somebody fucking sort it, because we're turning into Rando-CW

Nothing says progress like squashed logos. I'm taking Battlegate to Youtube

You're confusing being Jay's whipping boy with being over again Leslie

Betterness? Never heard of him. Is he up in the Maritimes?

You're damn right i'm a fucking diva. The one thing he does on time and he blows my riot shit! This is why we can't have nice things

Thanks for spoiling my big return to blonde locks you ape

That's all very well and good, but how the hell did you get into this locker room.

I think you've taken one too many headshots in Nathan's dungeon buddy. I'm sick of messiahs and genesis'. I've never heard of you brother. Care to explain who the hell you are?

Parties over, get in the spaceship