Matsuda Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 The Bombshells return... I do suggest different rules for them tho so the matches differ in some way... What would you suggest?
Smythe D. Wonder Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 Durability bottomed out.., no finisher kick outs... no spring boards... makes these matches fast as possible... with completely different gameplan rules for a change of mechanics to make it interesting... Signature 1 - The Alpha Heel Signature 2 - Spear 5 (F) - Stargazer Finisher 1 - Flapjack 2 (F) - The SDW Finisher 2 - Reality check (G) - Dawonderful Dream Finisher 3 (i'm cool enoigh to claim 3 moves) - The Darkside - THe Million Dollar Dream
Matsuda Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 I will be trying to have these shows on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, this week's show is almost done--there is room for one more match. If you want on, make sure you let me know.
Pugh Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 Don't read this as me being down on the Bombshells, I'm totally not, but here's the problems I forsee. A) The Youtube "experiment" Unleashed didn't go that well - only 4 people ever contributed, and they're the same 4 people who I'm pretty sure will contribute to this - the same 4 people who could be "burnout" if there is a roster split B) Having a pecking order (and possibly a title) means that shows need to be booked - and if the same 4 people are the only guys contributing, then we're going to have seen all the matches possible within a few weeks. People say "Ohhh I wanna do a match", but when we get right down to it, nobody can be arsed - same reason there's no discussion/character progression on most episodes of Riot/Asylum. We had that exact problem with Unleashed. Like I said, I'm not being down on it for the sake of being down on it - I'm just spitting reality from experience. Unleashed bombed, even though its fun to make, it's effectively 4/5 guys doing anything for it every week and the rest of the roster just turns up to moan about shit, and it's not sustainable in the long term if only a few guys care. I hope that doesn't happen to the bombshells. 4 No.
Matsuda Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 Don't read this as me being down on the Bombshells, I'm totally not, but here's the problems I forsee. A) The Youtube "experiment" Unleashed didn't go that well - only 4 people ever contributed, and they're the same 4 people who I'm pretty sure will contribute to this - the same 4 people who could be "burnout" if there is a roster split B) Having a pecking order (and possibly a title) means that shows need to be booked - and if the same 4 people are the only guys contributing, then we're going to have seen all the matches possible within a few weeks. People say "Ohhh I wanna do a match", but when we get right down to it, nobody can be arsed - same reason there's no discussion/character progression on most episodes of Riot/Asylum. We had that exact problem with Unleashed. Like I said, I'm not being down on it for the sake of being down on it - I'm just spitting reality from experience. Unleashed bombed, even though its fun to make, it's effectively 4/5 guys doing anything for it every week and the rest of the roster just turns up to moan about shit, and it's not sustainable in the long term if only a few guys care. I hope that doesn't happen to the bombshells. I get your cynicism, but heres where Ladies Unleashed is different than regular Unleashed: 1. Where regular Unleashed needed an established wrestler, Ladies Night can have two relative unknowns meaning we don't need to see Tyro vs. the World every week, if we want new talent we can make it. 2. Team reliable isn't as restricted, most of us have 2-3 Bombshells and as of right now we aren't having trouble creating things--hence there are more story lines brewing in the Bombshell division than the regular division. I can feud with Dupree with 3 different characters at once. Obviously, there is the issue of being burnt out, which in the end could be our downfall, but if guys are going to be burnt out, they are going to be burnt out. 3. I've got guys that I can depend on right now, and know what to expect out of everyone else. Call me jaded, but I know most people won't do shit unless they have a title shot, so this division is designed around 6-7 people with 2-3 characters. Booking will happen when the division establishes itself. In the end, it will probably just end up a bunch of recorded DMs and little promos, which is fine, I can get 3 a week if I have to be in all 3 of them. What I do need is discussion outside of "DURR THIS AINT GUN WORK" or "HURR THIS WILL NEVER BE THE OLD BOMBSHELL DIVISION GERTY GERTY GERTY". The shows only a half hour long, generally and its all video, which means some of you lazy asses don't have to read anything but a few captions and watch a few entertaining 10 minute matches. The show should appeal to the lowest common denominator here. I get that this show was on a Saturday, and weekend stuff gets no play, which is why I'm going to put it earlier in the week from now on. If the division fails, its because team reliable is burnt out, and team reliable doesn't burn out unless things get stale, or they talk about burning out too much :) 3
Pugh Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 I ain't being down on you man, you know I'll do a match when I'm around. It was more aimed at others. The "SURE I'LL DO SOMETHING" brigade that showed up at the inception of Unleashed and basically did fuck all. If you have no intention of being reliable/available to do Bombshells every time Suda asks it of you, don't say you will. That's where I'm driving with it No.
The Steve Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 I get your cynicism, but heres where Ladies Unleashed is different than regular Unleashed: 1. Where regular Unleashed needed an established wrestler, Ladies Night can have two relative unknowns meaning we don't need to see Tyro vs. the World every week, if we want new talent we can make it. 2. Team reliable isn't as restricted, most of us have 2-3 Bombshells and as of right now we aren't having trouble creating things--hence there are more story lines brewing in the Bombshell division than the regular division. I can feud with Dupree with 3 different characters at once. Obviously, there is the issue of being burnt out, which in the end could be our downfall, but if guys are going to be burnt out, they are going to be burnt out. 3. I've got guys that I can depend on right now, and know what to expect out of everyone else. Call me jaded, but I know most people won't do shit unless they have a title shot, so this division is designed around 6-7 people with 2-3 characters. Booking will happen when the division establishes itself. In the end, it will probably just end up a bunch of recorded DMs and little promos, which is fine, I can get 3 a week if I have to be in all 3 of them. What I do need is discussion outside of "DURR THIS AINT GUN WORK" or "HURR THIS WILL NEVER BE THE OLD BOMBSHELL DIVISION GERTY GERTY GERTY". The shows only a half hour long, generally and its all video, which means some of you lazy asses don't have to read anything but a few captions and watch a few entertaining 10 minute matches. The show should appeal to the lowest common denominator here. I get that this show was on a Saturday, and weekend stuff gets no play, which is why I'm going to put it earlier in the week from now on. If the division fails, its because team reliable is burnt out, and team reliable doesn't burn out unless things get stale, or they talk about burning out too much :) There was never such a thing as a 'Bombshell Division' back in the days of Sara Sykes, Casey Paine, & Gertie. It was simply the Women's Division. Sensation: "I'm an ignorant hispanic."
Matsuda Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 There was never such a thing as a 'Bombshell Division' back in the days of Sara Sykes, Casey Paine, & Gertie. It was simply the Women's Division. Good, so unless someone makes a grand return, theres extra reason not to compare them.
Tiberius Dupree Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 Durability bottomed out.., no finisher kick outs... no spring boards... makes these matches fast as possible... with completely different gameplan rules for a change of mechanics to make it interesting... Their not DIVAS, there Knockouts on steriods easentially. dumbing down their stats and limiting the moves they can do in the ring takes the whole feel of "just as good as the guys" and throws it out a window. Lets just give all dcups and thongs, and call it a night. I get that they should stand out from the main roster, but making more rules and restrictions just for the sake of being different isnt the right direction to go. Having different gimmick matches, and unique looks and movesets are what makes them already different than the men. theres some moves you never see becus they belong on women and Leon lol. 3 "You either die a hero or live long enough to become Nate Ortiz" - Drago Cesar "Let me make myself clear: you work for me. If I tell you to fight Blaine, you fight Blaine. Hell, if I tell you to fight a lion, you WILL fight a lion and still thank me afterwards for giving you a job." - Mr. Sensation
Smythe D. Wonder Posted June 11, 2012 Posted June 11, 2012 To break it down in basic terms for you guys... Unleashed is a great idea... but due to the limits of Youtube and the lack of star power it's pretty much unwatchable... There was no storyline progression, random wrestlers and commentary got stale after a week or two of the same thing... now if we add in a whole new demographic of wrestler with the same restraints... but the matches looking exactly the same with a few different moves... it'll be pretty much the same thing... so basically I'm saying to make people want to watch this show it has to be different from the guys wrestling. I'm thinking it's a fastpaced, crap shoot to the first sig and finisher flare of a match... Stats being relatively low so damage happens relatively fast... and if someone doesn't show it's over in minutes... I do however think we need music in the matches and a regular show format over the limiting youtube format... So just like how Pugh and Vega got Staffed for Unleashed.... Staff Suda for this and we have a Turmoil template that isn't being used... if you want to do a Bombshell division at least give it a chance Signature 1 - The Alpha Heel Signature 2 - Spear 5 (F) - Stargazer Finisher 1 - Flapjack 2 (F) - The SDW Finisher 2 - Reality check (G) - Dawonderful Dream Finisher 3 (i'm cool enoigh to claim 3 moves) - The Darkside - THe Million Dollar Dream
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