Turmoil 220

[B-17]

Side notes, I liked how we showcased a lot of women and tags this shoe. Elsa BROUGHT IT veri nice. I hope the ending to the Tag wasn't contrived cuz it was perfect I popped but then in back of my head it feels like it was planned and I unpopped.

 

No sir. We were all caught by surprise there.

[B-17]

Frenchie did very well on commentary tonight too. They might be the best combo for commentary I've heard.

[B-17]

Elsa held strong and Empress took me by surprise at first. Turmoil women division is very strong and I'm happy to be apart of it.

[B-17]

Valk continues to be a heel.

[Mr.Sensation]

Frenchie did very well on commentary tonight too. They might be the best combo for commentary I've heard.

 

 

Fuck you and your opinion.

[Lotus FloJo]

I laughed so hard when the first thing Austin did we he got in the ring was punt Nick's head off. Poor Bray.

 

Yup.

[Code Jackman]

The only person who knows if it was planned or not is Code, dont think anyone was expecting it to happen.

 

Completely accident. I didn't want to lose that match.

[Cort Marshall]

I think the best team is still Jake/Sensation but Rust was great for a first-timer. International flavour!

[Wrex]

Only you!

 

 

10 to 20 minutes of unintelligible speaking only making out 137 usages of the word CUNT

 

Okay.. where is the negatives here?

[Keith Hendrix]

Turmoil 220 Review

Feb-1-2019 episode

 

Sorry for the late review. It's been a very hectic week or so for me.

 

I don't want to be accused to just giving superficial feedback so let me get into some things straightaway that I'm sure will come up in my reviews in the future.

 

-It'd be great if we stopped replying to shows with the “first”... “second”... or really any other replies that aren't directly related to the show. It just feels beneath the product and makes it harder to get to the real substantive feedback.

 

-The shows are too long. I don't think there's any way around it. It just takes entirely TOO LONG to get through an OCW show. If most people were really required to give feedback on every show the board would be a whole lot of “TLDR”. I know this isn't an easy challenge to address. There are issues with deadlines, making sure there's enough content, making sure everyone has a chance to have segments, etc... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do better. I think a lot of the issue feels like having everyone trying to submit content for the show. So if both people submit segments and you have the match you end up with 3 segments per matchup, plus all of the stuff unrelated to the current card. I just think it'd be great if maybe we booked promos like we book matches. Maybe invite one side of each contest (from the main matches, and one or two total from the undercard) to submit a promo and maybe the other side can submit some commentary suggestions that can be used to bring the audience up to speed on a particular storyline before the match or before a segment. Maybe we can package a bunch of segments together and put them on a pre-show or post-show for additional content. But again, something like that isn't really reducing the amount of content, it's just shifting it elsewhere. The bottom line for me is this, we want more people to follow OCW so the product can grow. We have to start making tough choices to make the product more consumable. I have talked some other OCW talent about this. I know I'm not the only person who feels this way. If we made the product easier to watch, we'd also get more engagement and the real feeling that more of the core of the audience was really trying to stay up on everything. Right now, that's a tough ask for all except the most dedicated. Part of my perspective comes from trying to broadcast these shows in one sitting. It's really tough to do. An OCW show shouldn't be an endurance test. Also, by the time I've seen two or three segments on the same show about one storyline it feels watered down. And that sucks, because some of the really creative stuff people do just doesn't have the same impact it would otherwise and I believe it also takes some the energy out of the viewer when watching matches. There's just so much to get through. It's tough to be invested in all of it. I'm sure this will come up again.

 

-I'm not a huge fan of the music during matches. People's tastes are just too different. To me there's a really high risk, almost no matter what you choose, that some people will just find it distracting. I spend a lot of time analyzing the production presentation of pro wrestling and other combat sports. It's a really common practice in pro Muay Thai promotions and it drives me crazy almost every time. I'm learning to live with it. I'll probably never be a fan of that production choice.

 

-The commentators add a tremendous value to the storytelling in OCW and the presentation of the matches themselves. To be transparent, yes, I want to do commentary for OCW matches and I have been talking to some staff about it. But regardless of that, I would feel the same way. I know it's not the easiest thing to get done due to the turnaround between the submission deadline and the show, but more commentary would be great. There's a bunch of people in OCW who could do a good job at it. It not only makes the show more professional, it really helps the audience feel like you can follow along with the narrative. It also let's us get a peak and some of the personality and passion behind the show (which we only see game content and text). The commentary helps humanize the show and really sell that it's somehow MORE than just an e-fed based on a game, it feels like a real wrestling show that I'm reminded people make.

 

Opening segment (B17, Wrex, Trance, Jackman):

-This felt like a really classic approach to setting up the kind of tag match featured in the main event. They kind of got in and out the history and beef with each other really nicely. B17 did a really nice job of establishing the narrative and everyone else delivered at that same level. It was very efficient. I enjoyed it a great deal.

 

Empress vs Blaine:

-It was great to see Empress in action! Very excited about having her on the roster. Blaine looked really great. I enjoyed seeing Empress put up a real fight right at the end there before the finish. It made for a nice little climax to there match.

 

Leroi Daniels segment:

-Glad to see my man Leroi Daniels on the show!! I love what he was trying to do with this segment. I think using personal issues to explain some time away tells a nice story and raises some questions he can really follow up on later so we can establish a deeper connection with the character. I like the social media bit here. That type of “let the fans book it” rarely works, but for a real babyface like Leroi it's actually a nice way for him to sell that he's really willing to take on anyone. The four-way tie was a bit hard to buy, but it's a wrestling show so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I also like that he found a way to remind us of his history to this point. I would suggest losing the extra characters in the formatting as it just caused inconsistency with the style of the show. Also, I'd recommend staying away from expressions like “the camera would pan” in favor of “the camera pans”. Again, just better for consistency of presentation style. Keep up the good work.

 

Belle vs Karissa Dawson:

-I enjoy watching both of these women. This was a solid match. I liked the contrast in styles. That made it really easy to get into the competition. This was well booked.

 

C.Q.C. Segment:

-I liked this segment. It was short and sweet, but fun...and then it continued. It helps put over the match. Thanks, fellas. But y'all don't want it in a singing contest with The Heartbreakers...js. Good work.

 

T.Y. Sparks v. Mistico:

-My boy T.Y. Sparks picking up the big win! Mistico is awesome for giving him a really good match. Damian and Mistico are so good together. Damian really played a role without directly interfering. I love the way he sold going for the save at the end. I could go on, but I won't. I was really into this.

 

Blaine vs. Dragana segment 1:

-I don't even know what to say. This is really, really good. I really enjoy these segments. This is definitely one of my favorite stories on the show right now.

 

C.Q.C. vs. The Heartbreakers:

-I'm really grateful to C.Q.C. for working with us. I do feel like I should respond to some of the feedback so that people don't think I'm ignoring them. The Superkick thing is something that Asher and I really bonded over when we first started playing the game together and decided to become a tag team (we're fans of the bucks and literally had matching HBK attires, mine said “call me up, Jay” and his said, “sign me, Jay”.... the first time we met...AWESOME coincidence). It fits us and is really part of our gimmick as far as how we play the game together. At one point, I took the superkick out of my moveset because I heard about how turmoil was the land of superkicks and everyone was sick of them or whatever. But once Asher and I got booked as a team I wanted to put the superkick back in my moveset because again, we have A LOT of fun with them. I was also advised that I should have a couple of moves in my moveset that keep my opponent standing as I noticed in other movesets. I really just wanted to make a superkick combo. I lucked out when I found one that keeps a person standing up. Keith is trying to hit that one three times and then hit the one that actually knocks the person the down for a four strike combination. I don't normally hit the full combo on a person more than once in a match, but like any part of a wrestler's signature offense, if it's interrupted or he doesn't get all of it, he's going to try to get all of it later. It is cheesy, but it's a legit part of the story he's trying to tell in the ring. Also, all of his strikes are kicks (other than a slap) and his attributes are set accordingly. Those kicks really hurt, they're supposed to. Asher has different superkicks (the kneeling one, a different standing one that knocks an opponent down, and he often uses a running one as a finisher in Dms) and we always sing SUPERKICK PARTY!!...because it's fun and we're wrestling fans #don'tcrushmydreams. Also, as a handler, I appreciate the heads up about its past use, but Keith's character is by nature aloof and irreverent and wouldn't really even acknowledge that.

As far as the hovering thing goes, I feel really bad about that. For the record, we offered to redo the match, our opponents declined. At the time I was responding to “cat and mouse” being called out in the party. If you check it out, there's a similar sequence a little bit before that one and I hit him right as he stood up and could make a move on me and no one said anything. Also, if we're going to say that “cat and mouse” isn't in the handbook, neither is anything explicit about this sliding in the ring thing. The handbook says, “Do not hover, after a move give some space, to reset then re-engage.” If you watch it, no one had hit a move and even after he slides out and I think he's trying to avoid my finisher I step back to let him slide in the ring, I start walking over towards him, and I hit him after he stands up. I won't do it again. But I really wasn't trying to violate FPR. But being a heel, I decided to go with it after they said they didn't want to redo the match. But I want to apologize nevertheless. I also want to thank C.Q.C. They were really cool about it and actually very encouraging to us after the match. I'd love to work with them again.

 

Setting all that aside, I thought this was a great match. Reading it and watching in on the show- I really think it felt significant because of the combined effects of all the segments around it, including the T.Y. Sparks vs. Mistico match and the really great C.Q.C. Segments earlier in the show.

 

Bubba segment:

-Huh?? I think this went over my head. But it was cute.

 

Bray:

-You know that one sister that keeps stealing all your clothes. You go to get ready for a date and you're like, “Where did my sunglasses go.” Come to find out...she got 'em. Then you be about to hit the club one night, “Damn, where did my earrings go.” Then when you get to the club she struttin' around...yep, in yo' earrings. I'll just leave it at that as far as his style goes. But the promo was good. I wish he did more with the rumble win. Like when he first came out of it with the belt and stuff I was like okay, here we go. I'd like to see him do a little more with that. Maybe he can find a way to tie it into his feuds.

 

Dragana vs Elsa:

-Solid match. I liked the little handshake at the end.

 

B17, Austin Aeries segment:

-This was solid.

 

Alyssa Winters, Terra, et al.:

-I agree with the others. It was nice to see a lot of quality women's division work. This segment sort of embodies that. It's got a lot of really good character work and we're peeling back the layers of the plot lines, nice job. This was really well written. I enjoyed the little visual details.

 

Dragana vs Blaine finale:

-This was a really fun finish. I was really looking to see who won. Good shit.

 

Austin Aeries vs OtaKRU:

-I enjoyed this match.

 

Justin Jehst v. Capo segment:

-It was good to see Capo on the show. Nothing like a good ole' fight backstage to garner interest in a beef.

 

Ashley Moore:

-I like the character work in this segment.

 

Cort segment:

-This was a fun excursion for a shady doctor's note. Well done.

 

Main event:

Wrex & Jacob Trance vs Code Jackman and B-17:

This main event was awesome. The commentary was great. The in-ring work was awesome. The kick outs were wonderful. The ending was really great. Who cares if it was worked or not? Can't we just have nice things?

 

Final segment:

-This was funky freshness. Really great writing.

 

Quality work by everyone. This is such a fun fed to be a part of. I'm always impressed by the consistency in quality from segment-to-segment and match-to-match. Go team.