Parker Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I am actually going to name all the people who can kick out. This is from doing dark matches' Aries Chris Ryder Myself Trevor McManus Mayhem Parker Stevens K.Dangelo Smythe Dawonder Patolomai Dale Earnsmore Lucas Dimsmore You have mashers and you have people who can hold the button in. Single wise people can kick out by holding the buttons in. Anything after a singles lag can come into play and fuck it up. As for mashers you're mashing so lag doesn't affect it. people who 'time' kickouts are only gonna get it once, maybe twice if they are lucky..so I dont see them as a big issue...hazard kicked out of a finisher if i remember, by timing, proves the sun even shines on a dog's ass some days. http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5774/sig2uq.jpg 2 x Hardcore Champion (Longest defending OCW champ,19 defences) 1 x NA Champion 1 x Pride Champion 1 x TV Champion 2 x OCW World Heavyweight Champion F.I Winner 2012 MOTN vs Leonheart @ Wrestlution 7 'Don't worry about no one else, hows my hair look' - Tiberius Dupree 'Wipe you ass and go to bed' - Sensation to B17
Leon Valentine Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 You pinned Crowe at Road 2 Glory, so I can be pinned. You did not kick out of 6 of Aries finishers, 3 of them were rope breaks. [unless my memory is wrong, but i remember telling aries he jobs to ring positioning due to all the rope break] I see where your coming from in not wanting matches to drag, but i dont want to see 5 minute matches either, as it only takes like 4 groggy grapples to injure someone, then a fin after that = instant death, kinda lame. That could happen in 07, 08 and 09 though. That's why when someone would counter a finisher you would mark. Mania beat Smythe at one time in 07 I believe in 4 mintues. I know you hate this but it's not just me or Smythe that have a problem with constant kick outs anymore. A lot of people do.
Parker Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 That could happen in 07, 08 and 09 though. That's why when someone would counter a finisher you would mark. Mania beat Smythe at one time in 07 I believe in 4 mintues. I know you hate this but it's not just me or Smythe that have a problem with constant kick outs anymore. A lot of people do. Exactly my argument...you live your life in 'back on 07'...the game has changed, it's 2011..time to move on, and adapt. http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5774/sig2uq.jpg 2 x Hardcore Champion (Longest defending OCW champ,19 defences) 1 x NA Champion 1 x Pride Champion 1 x TV Champion 2 x OCW World Heavyweight Champion F.I Winner 2012 MOTN vs Leonheart @ Wrestlution 7 'Don't worry about no one else, hows my hair look' - Tiberius Dupree 'Wipe you ass and go to bed' - Sensation to B17
Leon Valentine Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Exactly my argument...you live your life in 'back on 07'...the game has changed, it's 2011..time to move on, and adapt. In that case, lets go back to being able to counter chain grapples. Doesn't matter how easy you can counter it's 2011 and that's how this game works. See where I am coming from? OCW has always been about sorting out the bugs THQ give us and making it fair. Like Trevor said, you say that you can't be pinned this year. That's an issue, constant no selling of finisher is a big issue imo and it makes matches unbearable to watch.
Patolomai Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm just a rookie here and don't have the ring experience as the rest of you here, but I figured I'd drop my opinion. I'm a OCW fan first and for most. I watch alot of video. From a pure entertainment aspect I do see unlimited kick outs as an issue. It devalues finishers all together. If we were to instill maybe a 1x kick out rule as well as the hurt/holding self aspect would be a nice addition. I feel if you changed it to 1x kick out it would make a big diffrence. Then possibly you could remove the "high impact" move finish and just have sig/ or fin finishes after one finisher has been hit. This would eliminate the worry of short matches with your one kick out and only being able to finish of a sig or fin once your fin has been hit. I don't know if that makes sense. 3 http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/202284/rose-pedals-falling-animated.gif
The Guy Fausto Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Shut the fuck up rookie. Don't need to prefix everything with stupid rookie. All opinions are valued. Except Hazard's and Dane's. Fuck them. 4
El Dios Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm just a rookie here and don't have the ring experience as the rest of you here, but I figured I'd drop my opinion. I'm a OCW fan first and for most. I watch alot of video. From a pure entertainment aspect I do see unlimited kick outs as an issue. It devalues finishers all together. If we were to instill maybe a 1x kick out rule as well as the hurt/holding self aspect would be a nice addition. I feel if you changed it to 1x kick out it would make a big diffrence. Then possibly you could remove the "high impact" move finish and just have sig/ or fin finishes after one finisher has been hit. This would eliminate the worry of short matches with your one kick out and only being able to finish of a sig or fin once your fin has been hit. I don't know if that makes sense. so you're saying to let someone pin you once they've done more than 1 finisher? http://www.signaturebar.com/uploads/images/28579.jpg
Patolomai Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 No I'm saying you should be allowed to kick out of one pin attempt after the fin has been hit. If you kick out of a succesfully hit fin that was your one kick out. From there I feel that the next pin should come off of a fin or sig instead of a high impact move. http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/202284/rose-pedals-falling-animated.gif
Tiberius Dupree Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I say abolish all the overlapping redundant classes. Have everyone with a base, charisma, durability and submission stat Classes SuperHeavyweight Super strong, but super slow. high grapple and strike. Low speed. Heavyweight Balanced grapple and strike, decent speed Lightweight Weaker grapple and strike, above average speed Cruiserweight Very weak grapple and strike, super fast speed ----------------------- Boost up the durability and lower everyone to a base charisma of maybe 60-65. Your less likely to take damage after 4 moves. And less charisma so it takes longer to build up a finisher, so when your finisher is actually hit it means something. That would eliminate 4-5 minute matches. And people keep claiming well kicking out makes it competitive. The moment you step in the ring its competitive, being able to kick out of 4 finishers doesn't mean your a good player, it means you can mash buttons or time a release. That's what I would do if I was setting this up, I haven't tried messing with the stats to see if it would actually work, but that's my hypothesis on what would be balanced and fair. 1 "You either die a hero or live long enough to become Nate Ortiz" - Drago Cesar "Let me make myself clear: you work for me. If I tell you to fight Blaine, you fight Blaine. Hell, if I tell you to fight a lion, you WILL fight a lion and still thank me afterwards for giving you a job." - Mr. Sensation
Shamulua Jr Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm just a rookie here and don't have the ring experience as the rest of you here, but I figured I'd drop my opinion. I'm a OCW fan first and for most. I watch alot of video. From a pure entertainment aspect I do see unlimited kick outs as an issue. It devalues finishers all together. If we were to instill maybe a 1x kick out rule as well as the hurt/holding self aspect would be a nice addition. I feel if you changed it to 1x kick out it would make a big diffrence. Then possibly you could remove the "high impact" move finish and just have sig/ or fin finishes after one finisher has been hit. This would eliminate the worry of short matches with your one kick out and only being able to finish of a sig or fin once your fin has been hit. I don't know if that makes sense. Definitely agree, it's like ranked someone does a fin. and you kick out then they constantly keep pinning you because eventually you wont get that kick out, your opinion makes alot of sence.. When Shamulua's Music hit's you know one thing is certain, you are about to witness non stop destruction on his opponent, careless of the victory, yet so determined to unleash pain and suffering.
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