Ocw Class Balance Patch 4.0

[Parker]

To be fair Parker, you have 85 charisma. So you should get a finisher fast as shit also.

 

If we don't bring in any kind of rule then it comes down to pinning off of anything. I will just learn the people that can mash out and pin them off anything. So you go from looking strong as you no-sell 5 codebreakers to looking weak since you just jobbed to a german suplex.

 

Adapt and conquer sir.

 

Also, I have 85 cha as a brawler, but it takes me ages to get a sig..maybe thet has something to do with tech? As it has to affect something!

[Trevor McManus]

 

We could even do it for peoples class types they select....for instance, I believe jacob Trance is a showman, now IMO...he is not a showman, FPR could look at the selected classed etc...same with leon, i believe your technical..where as IMO your a showman.

 

Leon's back to a showman now.

 

And it becomes a pain in the ass assigning classes to folk. Sure we can do it to Dane to make sure he doesn't take Technical or to KD so he doesn't take Flyer. But we ca't do it to new guys that join whom we know nothing about.

[Trevor McManus]

Adapt and conquer sir.

 

Also, I have 85 cha as a brawler, but it takes me ages to get a sig..maybe thet has something to do with tech? As it has to affect something!

 

I got a sig in like 45 seconds playing as Pato.

[Leon Valentine]

You want to make the game fair ground for everyone, yet you take away submission signature finishes, and now you kill submissionists. Why not do the same to the pinning system? Not everyone can kick out like a select few, so by OCW's definition...wouldn't that be unfair? I mean, OCW seems to think everything else is unfair, so why not this?

 

Exactly my point. Seems right now OCW is catering to the kick out system which is broken IMO. It really is like let us fuck over everyone else because we can kick out all the time. Again you don't need to mash to kick out but you can hold the buttons in. Seriously the answer to this...

 

Finisher = Death

 

Submission = Death

 

That is once your opponent is injured...

Also as far as competition goes... There is no competition in continuous kickouts. The skill has gone because you no that when you hit a finisher you're not going to win anymore. Then you have people trying to end it of anything.

[Trevor McManus]

I'm trying to negate both auto-win and auto-not-job.

 

The later is being met with more resistance.

[Parker]

Exactly my point. Seems right now OCW is catering to the kick out system which is broken IMO. It really is like let us fuck over everyone else because we can kick out all the time. Again you don't need to mash to kick out but you can hold the buttons in. Seriously the answer to this...

 

Finisher = Death Submission = Death. That is once your opponent is injured.

Also as far as competition goes... There is no competition in continuous kickouts. The skill has gone because you no that when you hit a finisher you're not going to win anymore. Then you have people trying to end it of anything.

 

Not true....not everyone kicks out.

[Trevor McManus]

Not true....not everyone kicks out.

 

Most people at least manage one or two.

 

When I played Aries I managed 6 or something.

 

My issue isn't with people managing it now and then. Or even having a few people that can do it a decent amount of times. But when you have guys that you literally can't pin off a finisher, there's an issue there.

 

You said yourself that you will never lose to a pin this year.

 

There's clearly something wrong there.

[The Guy Fausto]

Assigning classes just won't work for newer people. Gimmick changes also can switch classes. Say I wanted to do a SUPER SERIOUS COMPETITOR GIMMICK(I'm not), Showman wouldn't work anymore. Or Guy on roids.

 

Weight Class classes could work. But it'd essentially be the same system we have now but just only four choices(and as the status is now, side choices for Submission classes). It'd be trying to balance them against eachother still.

 

80+ tech is out of the question as I really think that perk drove people to the tech class alongside the Sub use. If it was still there, we'd see a huge swarth of people going tech. It's really too strong as a perk unless it got the Submisison scarlet letter of nerfs to go along with it. I really feel you shouldn't be punished for going on the offensive - if you get reversed you should have the ability to reverse back.

[Leon Valentine]

Not true....not everyone kicks out.

 

I am actually going to name all the people who can kick out. This is from doing dark matches'

 

Aries

Chris Ryder

Myself

Trevor McManus

Mayhem

Parker Stevens

K.Dangelo

Smythe Dawonder

Patolomai

Dale Earnsmore

Lucas Dimsmore

 

You have mashers and you have people who can hold the button in. Single wise people can kick out by holding the buttons in. Anything after a singles lag can come into play and fuck it up. As for mashers you're mashing so lag doesn't affect it.

[Parker]

Most people at least manage one or two.

 

When I played Aries I managed 6 or something.

 

My issue isn't with people managing it now and then. Or even having a few people that can do it a decent amount of times. But when you have guys that you literally can't pin off a finisher, there's an issue there.

 

You said yourself that you will never lose to a pin this year.

 

There's clearly something wrong there.

 

You pinned Crowe at Road 2 Glory, so I can be pinned.

 

You did not kick out of 6 of Aries finishers, 3 of them were rope breaks. [unless my memory is wrong, but i remember telling aries he jobs to ring positioning due to all the rope break]

 

I see where your coming from in not wanting matches to drag, but i dont want to see 5 minute matches either, as it only takes like 4 groggy grapples to injure someone, then a fin after that = instant death, kinda lame.