Ocw Class Balance Patch 4.0

[Jacob Trance]

This thread ...

 

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Is going around in circles (sorry I had to do that).

 

In my opinion Guy has a better idea of how to get an even playing field better than anybody else in the community right now (D&D master amirite?), the current system just needs a little more tweaking before the majority can be happy with it (I don't say everybody because this is OCW and somebody is always unhappy with something). Not to say the old system is frowned upon of course, I can see where Mayhem is coming from, but I think the system we have right now, once properly looked over, will work just fine.

 

This is coming from a Submissionist (AKA: slowest man in the world) by the way.

 

I 100% agree, regardless of what system we take, there will be complaints, loopholes and flaws that will be picked at, and picked at. Yes, some people are very unhappy, because their stats have affected their ability to play, etc.

 

The stats we have atm, listed above simply need a little refining. For instance, I see a HWY stretcher as slow, I see a LHWY sub guy as somewhat nippier than a showman. Ryder should not be grappling at the speed of, for example KD. KD's a big guy, who bends you when he grabs you, his pitfall for picking Stretcher should be SLOW and not exactly high tech.

 

Ryder's falling for Sub, one would assume, would be low charisma and low grp+str? His submissions are how he causes pain, that should be his strong point.

 

Power would excell at damage, but be slow, and probably not very charismatic. I'm aware there's exceptions to the rule, but things need generalised.

 

Brawler should take damage pretty well.

 

Again, these are all opinions, but it's a never ending circle.

[The Guy Fausto]

I've actually been doing a few revisions in booking for the existing system, and I've put some thought into an alternate system as well, but as of now, the system in the first post of the thread is our system until further notice(This is actually why I don't push hard numbers in public until their official, I remember a few months ago people were taking theories and spitballing as law and that annoyed the shit out of me.)

 

My three ideas I think are most important statwise:

 

1) No Auto-Grapple Reverses. Which means Tech is capped at 75.

2) If we have infinite kickouts, Charisma should be high so you can get finishers quicker so matches can be attempted to end quicker.

3) Likewise, infinite kickouts= strong restrictions on Submission finishers so they don't become an epidemic like they were.

 

Generic Weight 'Classes':

 

Super Heavyweight

GRPL: 80 STR: 80 DUR: 75 TEC: 75 SUB: 75 SPD: 70 CHA: 80

 

Heavyweight

GRPL: 75 STR: 75 DUR: 75 TEC: 75 SUB: 75 SPD: 75 CHA: 80

 

Light Heavyweight

GRPL: 70 STR: 70 DUR: 75 TEC: 75 SUB: 75 SPD: 80 CHA: 80

 

Cruiserweight

GRPL: 65 STR: 65 DUR: 75 TEC: 75 SUB: 75 SPD: 85 CHA: 80

 

Submission

Enables the use of Submission Finishers. Apply these modifiers to your existing stats.

GRPL: -5 STR: -5 TEC:-5 SUB: +10 CHA: -5

[Trevor McManus]

Trance seems pretty much right IMO.

 

Just a little tweaking here and there is all we need.

 

I personally fail to see why people are making a big deal out of this. If it makes you lose at the game then consider the notion that you might suck? My stats got bombed also and it hasn't made a blind bit of difference.

[Heaton]

The problem, I think, is that just about all of you motherfuckers have no idea how to balance a fighting game, and that everyone seems to want realism AND fairness.

[Chris Ryder]

I know this was brought up before Guy, but I think it needs to be brought to everybody's attention anyway. First off Submissionist should be a punished pleasure so to speak for obvious reasons, but with weight class' involved it leaves Light Heavyweight Submissionists at more of a disadvantage than anybody else. I think the weight class damage topic really needs further testing done, for example; making sub-class' for different weight class' to keep a level playing field and not leave Light Heavyweights like myself, Baxter (how are you still light man, look at you lol jk) and others. Now I'm certain this was brought up once before (hell maybe even in this thread) but there's no harm in making sure it gets checked over by staff.

 

Here's an example of the idea:

 

Submissionist

Heavyweight Class:

Low speed, high power & grapple

 

Light Heavyweight Class:

Low power & grapple, high speed

 

Sure this isn't the best written example in the world, but you get my concept. The point I'm trying to make is you need to put into consideration the Light Heavyweight Vs. Heavyweight factor when you work on these class', otherwise everything falls out of balance once Baxter faces off against somebody like K. Dangelo.

 

Anyway that's my two cents. I shall now leave you with this fairly racist but nonetheless humorous photograph:

 

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[Leon Valentine]

you know i think there should be just be a OA to meet and allow people to customize it. People like the freedom, seems some of you have a "FEAR OF "syndrome.

 

If everyone meets a OA then we are all on the same playing field

 

I like 2006 method, your minimum stat is 55 your max is 80, the overall is "X" and I dont know where people got cookie cutter from allowing free will customization.

 

 

We get different varients and the only reason we went to this is because Fausto thought it would work better? Might be wrong.

 

 

Talking to KD now about several people he had to talk out of quiting because this class shit is getting to be garbage

 

here we go again just like I said it would happen, I get a gazillion people asking me why are we taking steps backwards etc etc, because guys in staff have a "IDEA" of what they think of .

 

 

Do you guys listen to anyone outside of us.

 

I see this failing and I see several people flaking out before and or after Lution and probably the only fuckhead that might stay will be fucking Lawrence Hughes because he has nothing better to do and he has been here before and knows the stupidity that goes on with this indecisiveness

 

I dont think you all are listening to the community, like I am.

 

 

You really think I'm kidding when I say people come to me because they think I'm head of FPR? Maybe...., but maybe they come to me because I listen even to the likes of Jacob Trance, I still listen.

 

So maybe that does make me the peoples champ after all.

 

LOL this coming from a guy who when everyone told you that not being able to do sub sigs anymore sucked, you told them to get better at the game and ignored them. You sir are a hypocrite.

[Mayhem]

LOL this coming from a guy who when everyone told you about the sub thing and how it sucked, you told them to get better at the game and ignored them. You sir are a hypocrite.

 

 

No I said this about kicking out of pinfalls

 

you sir are a idiot

 

note: Leon, if your referring to Sub Signatures. I agreed for Stretcher and submissionist to be allowed. Trevor can testify on that one.

 

get your shit straight

[Leon Valentine]

No I said this about kicking out of pinfalls

 

you sir are a idiot

Sorry I edited my post, playing wow and trying to type at the same time. What I was saying is you made a rule saying people couldn't use sub signatures anymore. When people questioned this and said this is not fair you told them to get better at the game.

 

People then said about the kick outs that it's not fair they can't do subs and you ignored them. You didn't listen to the community one bit.

 

Edit: Only now, I am talking about when people first raised this in what you said. I have got my facts right thank you.

[D.Arnaud]

I like Guy's last post about the stats.It seems fair and even for everyone.

[Mr.Sensation]

Its hilarious to me the amount of bitching taking place, its like no one is reading that Guy is looking into suggestions and trying to find a good ground. This is just like an MMO MY CLASS IS NERFED IM RAGE QUITTING. Relax, and if you are going to fucking flake over a fucking class tweak, let me know now so I can stop giving a fuck during the album phase, and during lution over you. (and you means YOU ALL).

 

Seriously get off the soapbox people, the REASON these tweaks are coming is because YOU THE PEOPLE (most of you) try to squeeze every lil bit of not coolness out of something. The IDEA is checks and balances, YOU WANT X , you have to Pay Y. You want to get to Georgia, you need to buy fucking gas. You want a blow job? You need to Pay for dinner, (ok maybe not).

 

So again off the soap box and help Fausto, Jesus Christ some of you people really.

 

I am all for 4 archtypes, and for free stat distribution, but guess what one of you assholes will find the cheese combo, then another asshole will complain he lost to said cheese combo, to his response will be Ill just use his spec now so there. To which end then WE STEP IN and NERF THE SHIT.

 

We will never EVER get full balance, the idea is to just get some semblance of it, and to have a pro and a con. You want to be super heavy, you be slow, you want to grapple fast you be dainty, you want auto win finisher, shits going to have to be harder.

 

And if you do not like it, fuck off ( BUT, let me know so I can stop caring about you!)

 

With Love and Sincerity,

JCS

 

Fucking babies

Now help Fausto