Riot 357

[Pugh]

We're still a competitive league though. If all we cared about was storylines we wouldn't really need FPR, or could just sim the matches.

 

You can't have it all roads though. Its somewhere in between competition and story. You need both in order to be successful.

[Tobin Frost]

Enjoyed the show nice surprise at the end. It's was a great way to get the ball rolling on the new season.

 

As far as Cody's title shot, I feel like there should have been a set PPV or show for the match. I agree that the ball was sort of dropped on the return but that's water under the bridge now. I know I was gone for a few years but sometimes it was the guy who didn't have a feud going on that got the title shot. So what happens then? The champ would work an angle with the guy anyway. Even if he was in a feud the champ and all involved would just work around it. If the champ loses they get a rematch or the other plans just have to change. Wrestlution 1 was a perfect example of that. The guy if fought in my first OCW title match Tyranny won KoOCW and got a shot. Had no real feuds or anything before that. But I was working with Versus the whole time and was the planned Main Event. So in order to make it all work out the way we wanted I had to win.

 

I'm not saying you should put your angle on hold or anything. But maybe the staff should come together and say at the next The Clash or what ever the set date is Cody will get his shot. If he doesn't have that momentum that you all want, whoever is involved can work with him to get it there.

 

I've always believed that we are RP driven with competition. When someone wins a shot they should get it without have to prove more than beating the guys they had to beat to earn the shot.

[Cody Storm]

But it doesn't seem all that competitive if I'm seeing the same guys get two or three shots in a row at the champions. If you lost once, especially if you lost twice, I don't care how good your story is, I have no faith in you to seal the deal at the end and it's all just fluff. things like Tibby vs The Steve over the summer or Parker vs Dimsmore extremely boring because towards the end I had no faith in The Steve to beat Tibby, I had no faith in Dimsmore to take the title from Parker.

 

It's become story at the cost of competition with this feuds that are lasting 2-3 months a piece.

[Pugh]

But it doesn't seem all that competitive if I'm seeing the same guys get two or three shots in a row at the champions. If you lost once, especially if you lost twice, I don't care how good your story is, I have no faith in you to seal the deal at the end and it's all just fluff. I guess that's all just personal opinion but I found things like Tibby vs The Steve over the summer or Parker vs Dimsmore extremely boring because towards the end I had no faith in The Steve to beat Tibby, I had no faith in Dimsmore to take the title from Parker.

 

It's become story at the cost of competition with this feuds that are lasting 2-3 months a piece.

 

I firmly believe that HAD you stayed over the summer, you would have had your shot by now. Since you left, you can't expect to waltz into a situation where you're number 1 contender.

 

Since you've been gone, Sean, Gibbs and Tobin all busted their hump and EARNED what you're telling us you're entitled to. Its on you to FORCE your way into the reckoning by having something interesting going on to make people take note.

 

Jay dropped the ball by not dating it, like Tobin said, but your gimmick can't be "Im waiting for my title shot". Say you get your shot... then what? If you win, you're a champion with the "I want to be champion" gimmick. If you lose... you tumble down the card and you're back to square one. Nothing going on AND no title shot. People don't trust in your ability to be interesting. Thats the sticking point here. You need to prove them wrong.

 

The people who are successful are the people who are constantly working with other people. Truth.

[Jacob Trance]

I firmly believe that HAD you stayed over the summer, you would have had your shot by now. Since you left, you can't expect to waltz into a situation where you're number 1 contender.

 

Since you've been gone, Sean, Gibbs and Tobin all busted their hump and EARNED what you're telling us you're entitled to. Its on you to FORCE your way into the reckoning by having something interesting going on to make people take note.

 

Jay dropped the ball by not dating it, like Tobin said, but your gimmick can't be "Im waiting for my title shot". Say you get your shot... then what? If you win, you're a champion with the "I want to be champion" gimmick. If you lose... you tumble down the card and you're back to square one. Nothing going on AND no title shot. People don't trust in your ability to be interesting. Thats the sticking point here. You need to prove them wrong.

 

The people who are successful are the people who are constantly working with other people. Truth.

 

If you can't buy a win, you shouldn't be in the main event. It's kind of that simple. The main event is meant to be the TOP GUYS, not the best writers. Sure, they should be able to do both, but to stay there you should be able to win.

 

Lets see, working with people, I'm obviously doing something with KD, with inroads to look to do something with Hollywood IF I retain. The last match I saw of Hollywood was in [TNA] where he got trounced, but then I'd imagine he improved. Sure, he's a decent writer, but if he gets steamrolled by anyone on his return then it's kind of going to fall flat.

 

As for Cody, sure he "wants his title shot" if he gets it, and wins, he can then go be a covetous paranoid Jew that does anything to retain, such as deliberately getting DQ'd, and then you have the story where he finally loses it in a no DQ style match because that avenue is no longer available to him.

 

Oh shit, turns out I know how to story.

[Pugh]

If you can't buy a win, you shouldn't be in the main event. It's kind of that simple. The main event is meant to be the TOP GUYS, not the best writers. Sure, they should be able to do both, but to stay there you should be able to win.

 

...and thats exactly the case. The guys at the top - you included, are tough to beat. You have to take yourself to the next level by showing an ability to hang with the top people on the game and in RPs. Its that simple.

[Tiberius Dupree]

But it doesn't seem all that competitive if I'm seeing the same guys get two or three shots in a row at the champions. If you lost once, especially if you lost twice, I don't care how good your story is, I have no faith in you to seal the deal at the end and it's all just fluff. things like Tibby vs The Steve over the summer or Parker vs Dimsmore extremely boring because towards the end I had no faith in The Steve to beat Tibby, I had no faith in Dimsmore to take the title from Parker.

 

It's become story at the cost of competition with this feuds that are lasting 2-3 months a piece.

 

Oh, my bad. I forgot there was a qualification on looking good before you receive the title shots you've already won. That's why we've seen people lose a shot or two in a row and keep on going for the belts the next PPV, because they had oh so much momentum behind them. You right!

 

Looking good? I didn't say anything about how you look, I'm talking about what you done that Tobin, Gibbs, McGee or anyone else whose been winning matches and doing feuds have.

 

I know personal matters came up and you had to dip from OCW after you won the KOCW tourney. Had you not left your timing would have been ideal for a title shot. While you were gone storylines developed, and Jay wasn't available for your return story. The timing of your exit and return didn't work to your favor. But instead of working with someone and developing your character in the meantime, you constantly complain week in and week out that management isn't giving you your just due.

 

Those world title feuds may have been 'boring' to you but you can't say that neither of those guys deserved a decent campaign. Just like when your time comes you'll get your campaign. If we ran with a new person every month we'll be out of contenders in less than 6 months, this isn't that "Other Fed" where you win a couple matches inna row and get a title shot.

[Cody Storm]

I firmly believe that HAD you stayed over the summer, you would have had your shot by now. Since you left, you can't expect to waltz into a situation where you're number 1 contender.

 

Since you've been gone, Sean, Gibbs and Tobin all busted their hump and EARNED what you're telling us you're entitled to. Its on you to FORCE your way into the reckoning by having something interesting going on to make people take note.

 

Jay dropped the ball by not dating it, like Tobin said, but your gimmick can't be "Im waiting for my title shot". Say you get your shot... then what? If you win, you're a champion with the "I want to be champion" gimmick. If you lose... you tumble down the card and you're back to square one. Nothing going on AND no title shot. People don't trust in your ability to be interesting. Thats the sticking point here. You need to prove them wrong.

 

The people who are successful are the people who are constantly working with other people. Truth.

 

 

You're highlighting a few problems I think. I don't disagree with any of this.

 

1. I had the momentum going from before I left. Can we take a look at why? 1. Big wins (International Champion, KOCW, WL title defense). Well I've still had those. I've beaten guys you all talk about being fantastic all the time. I beat Gibbs since returning, I beat Dimsmore, I beat Aries, and I believe I should have beaten Mez had the table not glitched for me. 2. feuds, my only real feud before leaving was with Trance. And wouldn't you know it, it centered around a title! Titles give you something to do. You may not believe me when I say I'll find things to do if/when I become World Champion, but you shouldn't have to believe me because I've already earned a shot.

 

2. Sean, Gibbs, and Tobin have done wonderful in the past year and I think have earned the shots as well. I was gone for 3 months, why haven't they gotten their shot already? All of them have been hot since WL, why have they been kept in the dark for 5-6 months as well? When you have this many contenders in line, why are we seeing the same two or three people face off for so long?

 

The people who are successful, for the most part, are working with the same people. #TRUTH!

[Cody Storm]

 

Those world title feuds may have been 'boring' to you but you can't say that neither of those guys deserved a decent campaign. Just like when your time comes you'll get your campaign. If we ran with a new person every month we'll be out of contenders in less than 6 months, this isn't that "Other Fed" where you win a couple matches inna row and get a title shot.

 

But that, at least not if I listen to guys like Tobin and Leon, isn't what OCW was. It's what it's been turned into.

[Parker]

In all fairness..there IS a difference between being the number 1 contender and 'getting a title shot'.

 

Cody did win a title shot when he won the tournament, but it was neither OCW's fault, or his fault that he went awol for 3-4 months....the people who stayed, their stories etc continued to move on, so Cody can't just be expected to walk straight into a title match in the middle of everyone elses angles...it's that simple.

 

Maybe when Pugh and Pato are finished feuding, then Cody can have his shot..against who ever is champion after the feud.