Jacob Trance Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I'll get to Darkline and McGee Mania when I get there, right now I'm discussing this. And wrong the people that loved it were rookies that don't know that a 'pin attempt' is not a impact move and your not supposed to win off it. The same people who didn't hear you in a party talking to me and Sean about doing multiple ground moves as a break in ethics, which you did exactly that, a irreversible ground move into dirty pin. Nor were they in the party before you fought Mugen and reminded you fix your stats. It's like you go out of your way to do stupid shit so you can play victim and act like everyone is jumping down your throat for no reason. The two biggest heels in the company McGee and Smythe have ethics like angels. You don't see Smythe walking out mid match when he was losing to DY Nasty, no sir. You don't see McGee using the same stats he had when he was NA Champion to get a extra reversal or two. Edit, fix, revise or whatever, 2-3 weeks from now it will be something else. I believe we were specifically talking about ground sigs into ground finishers? The discussion was about uploading up to date caws after the match. What was the irreversible ground move? All I recall is the five star into a pin, into a dirty pin. Parker isn't a rookie, unless something has changed.
Pugh Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Finish after an impact move has never changed, so finish after a pin is illegal. Always. As the video shows, Mugen didn't have the opportunity to reverse, as he was mid animation. It's an immediate redo technically. You won off an irreversible move No.
Parker Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I loved the heel element to it, kicked out of the normal pin attempt, so he goes straight back into a pin with added leverage using the ropes. But as for the ' non reversal elements' I had no clue , I just liked the 'TV finish' feel of it. But I am just 1 man amongst a sea of men..that sounds so gay...and FPR wise, it ain't my job. http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5774/sig2uq.jpg 2 x Hardcore Champion (Longest defending OCW champ,19 defences) 1 x NA Champion 1 x Pride Champion 1 x TV Champion 2 x OCW World Heavyweight Champion F.I Winner 2012 MOTN vs Leonheart @ Wrestlution 7 'Don't worry about no one else, hows my hair look' - Tiberius Dupree 'Wipe you ass and go to bed' - Sensation to B17
Jacob Trance Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Finish after an impact move has never changed, so finish after a pin is illegal. Always. As the video shows, Mugen didn't have the opportunity to reverse, as he was mid animation. It's an immediate redo technically. You won off an irreversible move If he pushed it whilst I held the finisher button in to mess with his timing it wouldn't give him a reversal icon as he went for it too soon. I'm not able to see what goes on on his screen.
Jimmy Henry Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 My FPR knowledge is sketchy, as a rook. I agree with Parker though, TV wise it was entertaining. It felt desperate, which adds to the thirsty lonely JT gimmick. Obviously as a new guy I have no knowledge of or give two fucks about any previous, but I'm loving how worked up people get. Passion.
Jackson Montgomery Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I feel like mom and dad are fighting at the dinner table and I'm just staring at my mashed potatoes hoping they don't ask me to pick a side. 5 1x - OCW Turmoil Heavyweight Champion ** Mr. Sensation - "Jackson's a good egg." ** Pugh - "Jackson just earned himself the Parker Stevens memorial award for inappropriate jokes. The prize is... well... don't open your desk drawer ever again"
Pugh Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 If he pushed it whilst I held the finisher button in to mess with his timing it wouldn't give him a reversal icon as he went for it too soon. I'm not able to see what goes on on his screen. No, the finisher is legal. He kicked out of that, so it's not the issue. The fact that you pinned him after is fine for flavour, but you should have released it because you physically cannot reverse mid animation on the ground. That's only the big reversals when you're standing. You should have released it and reset. Yes it's a grey area but if we all recognise you can't win off somethibg that's not reversible, then why is this different? It's an immediate redo in my eyes No.
Jacob Trance Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 No, the finisher is legal. He kicked out of that, so it's not the issue. The fact that you pinned him after is fine for flavour, but you should have released it because you physically cannot reverse mid animation on the ground. That's only the big reversals when you're standing. You should have released it and reset. Yes it's a grey area but if we all recognise you can't win off somethibg that's not reversible, then why is this different? It's an immediate redo in my eyes Because no pins bar leverage pins are reversible. If I had been told at the time I'd have happily done a redo for the stats alone. I get it. I was wrong, you're right.
Pugh Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Because no pins bar leverage pins are reversible. If I had been told at the time I'd have happily done a redo for the stats alone. But in this instance, he had no way of defending himself. You hadn't hit an impact move, you technically pinned off a pin, which is an illegal win. If the frog splash, then pin ends the phase in which he can lose, then you need to initiate another phase whereby you can win the match, which is done with another move. That's too technical a description, but to the letter of the law that we all play by (and seems to have vanished from the rulebook for whatever reason), you have to hit a move in order to then gain a pin victory. That didn't happen here No.
Jacob Trance Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Then I'll get right on fixing that using this as an example. When I get home from work, I'll PM it to you to get your opinion on the clarity
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