Riot 529

[Quartz]

Who is crappling and moonwalking for gods sake in the Telos/Tyson match? At this point it seems like every match Tyson is involved in there’s an fpr issue.

 

Here I'll post this in here. I'm just trying to help you and OCW make sure there's no confusion. I am completely understanding that you guys have been here a while and have had multiple sets of rules, so things can change and get muddied and we all have busy personal lives, not having time to sit and go through every rulebook change.

 

You have been incredibly open and willing to these criticisms in the past and I don't want this to be about you specifically, but this is as good a chance as any to point out with visuals what we're talking about.

 

FPR BREAK TELOS

About 4 minutes into the match, Telos breaks FPR by doing 2 knockdowns and then a groundmove with no reset.

 

http://media.giphy.com/media/XeeVWJTA4x2qmmpFjY/giphy.gif

 

Knockdowns that come off of reversals ARE STILL KNOCKDOWNS. Here's an easy way to remember. If you have to manually pick your opponent back up. It's a knockdown. If the animation (like the common firemans carry reversal) picks them back up for you, it's not a knockdown. EZPZ.

 

 

Pickup Grapple, this is fine, but there must be a reset after this.

 

 

This is where the FPR break is. I'll assume it was an accident and we can move on.

 

CRAPPLING

 

Here's the main point. Here's a screenshot of the rule. It's very clear. If it's not clear, then maybe my examples will help explain it to those of you that don't get it.

 

http://i.groupme.com/1942x108.png.4220056e283f450aad46a56ea37c6d5c.large

 

The easiest way to avoid this -

 

If you get reversed in a match, stand still. Don't walk away. Don't mash the attack buttons. Just stand there. Try to reverse their follow up move. That is the only option you have under FPR rules.

 

That's not to say, stand there for several seconds. If they wait for 2-3 seconds before following up, fuck em. Potato them in the mouth. But give them a FAIR CHANCE.

 

Here are the examples from Tyson/Telos.

 

CRAPPLE ATTEMPT TYSON:

 

This is the small stuff that annoys me in matches, because while this ended up being a failed attempt at a crapple, you can still clearly see where Tyson attempts to mash the 'grapple' button immediately after getting reversed to try and circumvent it.

 

 

This one didn't end up working, but a crapple attempt is still a crapple. Stay still after you get reversed. Your options of countering after a reversal are to reverse them back

 

(GREY) CRAPPLE TELOS:

 

This one is a bit weird because Tyson whiffs, so I'm sure most people would say "fair game" but as you can see, Tyson tries to follow up right away, and the dumb game animation fucks him. I personally would let him follow up again, trying to reverse, but there's conflicting opinions here. I still consider this a crapple, but I'd be more forgiving if it happened to me.

 

 

Now, you could say - "Oh you should have just got closer before attacking". That's the REAL problem with this lies in the confusion about the rules and it depends who you play. Certain people I play, I know they're going to try to crapple me immediately after every reversal, so I have to quickly mash my attack button after a reversal and sometimes, it leads to this happening.

 

If I think I'm going to get crappled, I'm in-turn trying to avoid that by not walking/adjusting whatsoever after a reversal because I'm afraid you're going to crapple me. That's why I still consider this lame.

 

BLATANT MOONWALK TYSON:

 

Another instance of getting reversed and just moving back to avoid getting followed up (which is an FPR break.)

 

 

After Telos reverses you and pushes you out of the corner, that's a reversal. Again - just stand there and attempt to reverse his follow up. Don't walk away from him, causing him to whiff and lose his reversal for no reason. That is a crapple. That is against FPR.

 

In this particular case, Tyson did not attack after the moonwalk, and Telos was still able to follow up. If you accidentally crapple, move up and let them get the chance they earned to hit you and try to reverse it.

 

BAD MOONWALK CRAPPLE TYSON:

 

This is far and away the worst one of the match. See below.

 

 

Telos reverses Tyson's stomp attempt. That's a reversal. He tries to follow up right away, but Tyson says "nah fuck that" and just walks away from him, causing Telos to whiff several times. Then Tyson just boots him in the face.

 

So now Telos has lost a reversal and taken damage. This is EXPLICITLY outlawed in FPR. This is not an ethics issue or grey area. This is just breaking FPR.

 

Again -

 

Please do not see this as me being a fucking dick and calling people out.

 

My only goal here is to help. Everyone in this community can understand how frustrating it is when the two competitors in a match are playing by two separate sets of rules. It is inherently unfair.

 

Thank you.

[Michael Morrison]

I already knew what the rules were, but the clips really help to validate what I interpreted to be CRAPPLES and MOONWALKS.

[Quartz]

Another point I forgot to add.

 

Not crappling also adds a great deal of aesthetic value to a match. Nobody wants to see you "video game" away your opponent all match, a series of reversals makes matches more fun, more intense, FASTER (no 18 minute moonwalk Thirstmoil bouts). It's in the rulebook for a reason.

[Kassidy Hayes]

thats my son!

[Bobby Minio]

Everything I know about crappling and moonwalking I learned from vets in my first 3-4 years in OCW. That's why I'm so damned good at both of them, personally.

 

Jokes aside, I find that the moveset full of duck under dickcheese is as obnoxious as moonwalking and really should be discussed on a larger scale because they effectively do the same thing, they rob someone who had the drop of their opportunity.

 

A few years ago the meta was quick strikes and stuff like, what was it called, the knee shiver or something? Now it's just filling your moveset with as many duck unders that clear 10 feet of the ring to your opponent while somehow making the opponents inputs invalid.

[Quartz]

Everything I know about crappling and moonwalking I learned from vets in my first 3-4 years in OCW. That's why I'm so damned good at both of them, personally.

 

Jokes aside, I find that the moveset full of duck under dickcheese is as obnoxious as moonwalking and really should be discussed on a larger scale because they effectively do the same thing, they rob someone who had the drop of their opportunity.

 

A few years ago the meta was quick strikes and stuff like, what was it called, the knee shiver or something? Now it's just filling your moveset with as many duck unders that clear 10 feet of the ring to your opponent while somehow making the opponents inputs invalid.

 

I mean, you're not wrong, it deserves a larger discussion. Perhaps once I see a match with all that BS I will break it down the same way.

 

Because that is more ethics and being fucking annoying and not FPR related, I wanted to first get this taken care of. This is a RIOT problem more than anything else. Turmoil has their own issues, subjectively worse in some minds.

 

I totally agree with you.

[Tiberius Dupree]

Rookies, sigh.