Lord of the Ring: Week 2

[Vincent Valmont]

Good job to the people who improved from last week, and also to, Parker, definitely has my vote for next WOTM.

[The Guy Fausto]

This system is racist against people with movesets consisting entirely of chops.

[Michael Morrison]

This system is racist against people with movesets consisting entirely of chops.

Shattup, Choppy McChopperson.

 

Anyways... the points are based on the difficulty of attacks. It's not so much that certain people attack more than they defend, as wrestlers with an aggressive offense, tend to do well. However if your "offense" simply consists of running attacks/grapples and strikes, you won't garner as many points as someone who grapples more. There's a reason you see more quick grapples, punches and running attacks in a match... because they are easier to hit successfully.

 

The main reason that aggressive grapplers seem to build up the points, is because they tend to be good at reversing grapples as well. This means, even if their grapple is countered, they still have a chance of countering their opponent. The really good players have allot of back and forth reverse fests and the points add up.

 

The only thing I wish was different is how you can punch your way out of grapples now, so the odds of even hitting a strong move has gone down dramatically. Each match probably averages about two successful strong grapples, after the initial grapple.

[Smythe D. Wonder]

the system favours people that counter alot of grapples... I wish we could actually see match breakdowns so we know where people get their points from...

 

I like this new demographic of OCW... I assume I won`t score high tho unless I become one of those guys that walks up to their oppoment and constantly bashes the right trigger until a grapple is attempted tho... maybe in the future we give as much points for offence as for defence... cause right now it`s about double the points for a counter than a successful attack...

[Michael Morrison]

the system favours people that counter alot of grapples... I wish we could actually see match breakdowns so we know where people get their points from...

 

I like this new demographic of OCW... I assume I won`t score high tho unless I become one of those guys that walks up to their oppoment and constantly bashes the right trigger until a grapple is attempted tho... maybe in the future we give as much points for offense as for defense... cause right now it`s about double the points for a counter than a successful attack...

If you hit successful attacks, your opponent technically can't gain more points by countering... because your attacks are successful. None the less, I see where you're coming from. This was why I made a thread asking for people's opinions on the point system, which no one really had a problem with at the time.

 

I'm not sure how many people use the technique of simply smashing the counter buttons repeatedly in order to counter, but I would love to see someone try this technique while walking up to their opponents in order to test it's effectiveness. I always saw countering as a game of poker mixed with chess - trying to read your opponent and predict his next move. If it's as easy as smashing buttons repeatedly, then I've been going about it all wrong.

 

Your posts have actually inspired me to investigate the matter, to see just how an "offensive wrestler" stacks up against a "defensive wrestler" so I will break down one of your matches (possibly a previous match) and the match of a 400+ scorer, to see the difference in the amount of offense and defense. This should be interesting and has me feeling like I'm on Mythbusters.

[Smythe D. Wonder]

haha... Mythbuster Morrison is on the case... I suggest you breakdown a match between two heavies tho... my matches were a mixed case of the match not lasting that long as neither of us scored many points in both of them...

[Parker]

yeah, from the matches i have had this week and last, heavy vs heavy racks up more points due to it being easier to hit them as they dont roll like their asses are on fire everytime a grapple comes close :)

[Michael Morrison]

Alright, its time to reveal my findings so far. Smythe has yet to battle a fellow heavy, but I was able to breakdown his match against Chino (his highest scoring match).

 

In order to make an somewhat even comparison, I needed someone who is also known for his brawling/striking, so I went with RD Money. His match against Seth Irving lasted, roughly, two minutes longer than Smythe's match with Chino, so take that into consideration as well.

 

I suggest, in order to get a more accurate comparison, perhaps Smythe could be booked in a match against Seth Irving. In fact, if Seth is willing to help us out on our experiment, it doesn't necessarily have to be a booked match. If you two could record a dark match, it would work just as well.

 

On with the findings so far. For clarification: Only successful offense was counted. Anything countered by their opponents did not get tallied. Irish Whips and Back Grapples all count as a from of "Quick Grapple". A "Rope Grapple" is a grapple done to an opponent resting on the ropes. A "Rebound Grapple" is a grapple done to an opponent who was Whipped to the ropes and as they bounced off, a grapple was completed. Neither man hit their fin during these matches and neither scored a pin, so that's even going in.

 

OFFENSE---------------------------SMYTHE------GREATNESS

Strikes-----------------------------12------------19

Ground Strikes----------------------3-------------8

Quick Grapples----------------------15------------14

Strong Grapples---------------------0-------------9

Ground Grapples---------------------3-------------2

Turnbuckle Grapples-----------------1-------------3

Rebound Grapples-------------------0-------------2

Rope Grapples-----------------------0-------------1

Running Attacks/Grapples------------1-------------5

Diving Attacks-----------------------0-------------2

 

As you can see, both men use "Striking" and "Quick Grapples" as a big part of their arsenal; practically on the same volume. The major difference lies in RD's range of attacks. He managed to hit some diving attacks from the top rope, rope grapples, rebound grapples and a healthy dose of strong grapples. Not only did he hit moves worth more points, but also mixed up his attacks, which makes it harder to predict just what he'll do next.

 

Lets get into defense.

 

DEFENSE---------------------------SMYTHE------GREATNESS

Strikes-----------------------------1-------------5

Ground Strikes----------------------1-------------1

Quick Grapples----------------------1-------------1

Strong Grapples---------------------1-------------0

Ground Grapples---------------------3-------------3

Turnbuckle Grapples-----------------0-------------1

Rebound Grapples-------------------3-------------0

Running Attacks/Grapples------------1-------------2

Mid Grapples-------------------------2-------------2

Back Grapples------------------------2-------------0

 

Not much difference at all when it comes to the amount of moves they countered. In fact, they both countered the same amount of moves (15) with RD countering more strikes. However, Smythe countered more back grapples and rebound grapples.

 

My estimation so far, judging from the numbers above, attacking garners more points than defending. Smythe Ranked in at 240, RD Ranked in at 427.

 

It still seems to be a major concern that you probably won't gain as many points from facing Light-Heavies/Cruisers, as they are harder to get a hold of and tend to bruise easier, but I haven't ranked enough matches to confirm just how drastic the difference is.

 

I'm also not sure how to counter balance this situation (if the difference proves to be dramatic) without making it unfair to others. Perhaps I could start deducting points from matches that last longer than 15 minutes, but that's another topic all together and probably further down the road.

[Smythe D. Wonder]

I played an entire match without landing a single strong grapple.... haha... I suck...

 

I do think it`s a question of who`s fighting who as well... but it will all even out in the end... don`t change anything.... I`ll just have to land some FUKKING strong grapples for christs sake... lol

[Nathan Gaines]

It still seems to be a major concern that you probably won't gain as many points from facing Light-Heavies/Cruisers, as they are harder to get a hold of and tend to bruise easier, but I haven't ranked enough matches to confirm just how drastic the difference is.

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True Statement I bruise like a peach