Turmoil 290: Last Stop!

[Mr.Sensation]

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JESUS CHRIST - NGL had me in the 1st half!

[Quartz]

Fuck page 2.

 

I will start this off by saying that, in my opinion, it takes an awful lot to really send off the deep end. It takes a certain "Golden Era" level of attention or lackthereof to piss me off the way I was Friday night.

 

Admittedly, this week was one of the shittiest I've gone through in IRL and perhaps the idea that after it all, OCW would be there to put a smile on my face, only to be shit on 100 different ways, that's probably what did it.

 

Regardless, this show was light on RPs, let's get into it.

 

- Explosive Women's Opening Clark Effect

 

Awesome way to start the show, answers my question about what Furiosa was doing for Clash. I'd maybe have liked something a little longer at this point in her reign. She's had really only two committed feuds (Flo/Terra) and while I love the mystery decision for Lution, this one had/has legs... Though the fact Mujera was with Kasstianity and has that inherent history with Furiosa helps. interested to see how this one goes at Clash.

 

I think given the King/Queen of OCW's rules of NO INTERFERENCE (pure style) being broken and the offender immediately being granted a world title match is shit, but given the context, they did about as well as they could with Emp to make sense of it (more on that later).

 

- Baker vs Samsin

 

There are really only two conclusions to draw from this show.

 

1. You all are far too comfortable with the leniency dealt thus far FPR wise, the fact staff hasn't burned you to the ground for minor issues is not because they don't matter. It's because they're meant to be accidental and you should be trying to fix them.

 

2. You realized you aren't facing honest punishment other than Jake PMing you and @ing you in show discussion so you think "lmao who cares lmao" and do it anyways.

 

Either way, nobody looks good here. This match was no different.

 

Baker clearly hasn't read the rulebook since I asked him to return as a fun surprise. I am openly and admittedly a big fan of Baker as a human being, as a handler, and as a character. I take responsibility for not being more thorough in running him through the 2K22 handbook when I asked him to return.

 

I am happy he's here to stay instead of the one-off I maybe expected. We've chatted and he knows he needs to read the rulebook. Everyone who watched knows the rules that were misunderstood/broken and so I don't need to sit here and regurgitate them on the forum.

 

Samsin has had a rough go since returning and I hate that, because I don't think he deserves the blunt of the blame. Between his newness and his dance partners being incapable of holding up their end of the bargain, he's earned a reputation I think should not stick, nor is fair.

 

That said, Samsin, stop crappling. Stop walking away from your opponent after they rev you. It's only minor when it's rare, when you do it after every rev, it's a problem.

 

Aside from that, I honestly couldn't give a fuck about this match after Baker's - not one, but two early fin attempts. That's not even mentioning the "CONTROLLER DISCONNECTED" shit. This match was not worth airing, plain and simple. I trust both users will do better in their next attempt. F-

 

- Parca and Dillinger

 

The comraderie built between Parca and Dillinger warms my heart. I'm involved in it, so no need to try and analyze too much, but I think two really shitty assholes coming together to show each other the error of their own history is such a fun story.

 

- Marisa Interview

 

I respect Marisa's decision to post most/all of her content as videos. I think this was a segment that suffered slightly from that. The inability to elaborate or have freedom "werdz" wise made this one tougher to get into. Not to say it was bad, I love the cliffhanger at the end. "My team is falling apart" is a little dramatic and not the vibe I had at all. Either way, new face Marisa (will talk about that later) + Serious John in the newer phases of their career is an interesting dynamic.

 

- Jasmin & Dragana

 

I have not reviewed the last few shows, but I have really enjoyed Dragana's periodic and impactful appearances, namely with Jasmin. Not a single word spoken here, but development is rich in just 6 lines.

 

- Amber Ray: Parentnapper

 

Now this is clearly not the first time we've seen parent-nappings in OCW. Empress kidnapped Valk's parents and held them in a warehouse for an uncomfortable amount of time too.

 

This video though... This was a trip. This was one of those wrestling things that dives into some real scary shit. You have 2 options when doing this method.

 

1. You go overly realistic and scary, which could alientate viewers.

 

2. You keep it light hearted and goofy, which may devalue what you're doing.

 

It's clear Amber went with #1 here. Here's why I'm in favor of it...

 

Marisa has been such an unruly, unstoppable cunt for over 2 years now. She's shown that she's almost incapable of being a sympathetic figure. If your plan is to make us want to cheer for someone who's done what she's done, you gotta go mega extreme. That's what this was.

 

Here's where it's key - Marisa's shift to a "baby" or a sympathetic figure in this story RELIES on her reconciling with her shitty behavior in the past. It RELIES on the heel both acknowledging and making amends for past injustices. If you don't, it has less impact or maybe worse, it comes off as you just shifting alignment for the sake of one feud, which seems even more fragile than the alignment change itself.

 

Either way, with the QOCW bloody beat down + this, It's very clear to me where alignments lie and I'm rooting for Marisa. It's AFTER Clash that will be the most interesting for me in terms of direction.

 

- Bishop's Victory Lap

 

Solid post-match promo from Ambition. Short and sweet and addresses the points Karmine made prior to it. I'd just say taht your brevity and lack of screen time only proves Karmine correct. See you on the next Ambition, nerd.

 

- Scotty X vs OWEN

 

Personally, I do realistically understand if people don't think leaving commentary on is a big deal.

 

Here's my take:

 

We're pre-recorded. You have so many opportunities not just to catch this, but correct it. Can't re-record for whatever reason? Dub it with other audio. Anything. Leaving commentary on in an OCW match is bush league and it helped take me right the fuck out of the match.

 

The match itself brought me back a bit. I love both of these characters, and I REALLY love OWEN's ringwork. After bringing me back, I was unfortunately brought back out because of the beat down and awkward flow.

 

I've been a clear supporter of Scotty so far (and still am) but this was clearly a match that was played to win over anything. Blowouts happen, for sure. I'd encourage everyone to try and find ways to make blowouts interesting if you can.

 

Scotty has potential. I'd like to see a more refined character. So many of your in-ring issues can be overcome with great character work. For me, I remember like what, 2 Scotty X Promos since he's been here? That feud with Samsin was entertaining so let's build on it. Tell us who Scotty is. Tell us why the X matters. Tell me TELL ME what I have to go off of other than a sick theme song and a dominant/indy in-ring persona? Not the worst match on the night, but Scotty still leans a bit too "hardcore PvP" and the adjustment to hybrid will come with time.

 

Looking forward to OWEN/Parca at Clash. Awesome matchup.

 

- C-Note promo

 

The entire C-Note arc doesn't get as much credit as it deserves. He's kept the burn slow and he's even kept his own backstory vague enough that he's been able to work that mystery into this new angle with "The Family". I'm such a huge fan with how organic this entire thing has evolved with Trance and Flojo. C-Note is an awesome character.

 

- Asher/Jones/Barrett Triple Threat

 

Still some crappling issues in this one too.

 

IF YOU GET REVERSED, STOP FUCKING WALKING AWAY FROM YOUR OPPONENT. REVERSE/BREAKER BACK

 

Other than that, honestly, no real complaints about this one. I was able to finally get through a match without a fucking real issue here. I think we've evolved past the need for No Mercy music, personally. I see that as a crutch used by less equipped/talented people in the past to keep interest in that era.

 

For the time, it made sense and was super creative, but we're past that. I don't care for it.

 

@asher - Please do something about the generic trons on your entrance. After your 2021, I say you're too good to just come out to the fucking Turmoil logo. If you don't know how or need someone else to record your ent, then I'd encourage you to figure it out and learn how to stand on your own two feet. If you don't give a shit, then ignore me and keep having fun.

 

On that same note, there is NO REASON. 0. NONE. NADA. That your CAW is not uploaded for your opponent. If you need someone to record your entrance for you, you better be damned sure you give them everything they need to make it work. I'm so sick of hearing excuses and finger pointing about other people. Honestly, it leads to people creating stories in their own head about you. Asher couldn't even be bothered to upload his entrance CAW to have the ent match the contest, so people may assume "Oh he's lost and he's butthurt about it".

 

That immediately takes the viewer out of immersion. OCW and the final product should be your #1 concern whenever you do a match or segment. If you're A. Too salty to accomodate your opponents to put together a match or B. Too fucking lazy.

 

Both are equally bad. Just do better. It's really not that hard to be communicative to a community that relies on you as much as you rely on it.

 

- EMP/Shianne RP

 

This was a good way to explain Mujera/Furiosa past what we saw on stream. EMP's devious mind thinking "sure the reward is high, so I'll make the risk super high as well", that kinda helps even me out on the fact the offender got a huge reward. Of course the women's world wrestling championship is worth it, but how many other talent would risk needing to work with Kasstianity FOR LIFE for that opportunity?

 

Shianne both finding her way into a massive story with Empress (who has a glowing reputation) and also showing up more regularly also makes me happy and reinforces the idea that I made the right call giving Chey an exception.

 

If you're one of the handful of people who threw a little temper tantrum because this "rookie" displayed more gumption and ambition than you did and was granted a reward because of it, then you can go fuck yourself. Look in the mirror and do better, or leave. I hear EoW is hiring. /shrug

 

All in all, as I expected, the words here provided a nice buffer and I enjoyed this one a lot. Empress, even through her sometimes shaky grammar and spelling, is very funny and I honestly see that fault as a positive, since it leads to some crude and hilarious interactions.

 

- VHS Vignette

 

Honestly I missed this on stream, but on rewatch, I'm a huge fan.

 

I'm a wrestling dork guys, you will NEVER EVER disappoint me with "mystery" arcs or confusing segments like this. Low risk/high reward. Looking forward to seeing what it is.

 

- C-Note vs Trance

 

Have already applauded how C-Note has handled his character and presentation from day 1 until now. I'm a big fan, either way.

 

This was a fun stop-gap match that kinda set the pace for the 2nd half of the show. This is a match I'd expect to open. This has the kind of errors I'd expect from a rookie match, those that aren't really a big deal and don't kill the immersion.

 

IF YOU GET REVERSED, STOP FUCKING WALKING AWAY FROM YOUR OPPONENT. REVERSE/BREAKER BACK

 

C-Note, please stop crappling. You've got an awesome finisher, gimmick, character, moveset (generally), just try and refine it a little bit in the ring and keep up the consistent effort story wise and I promise you'll be a star.

 

Like the triple, no real complaints here. I was ready to cut the stream off at this point in the show and this match kept it even enough so that didn't happen (not that I matter in the slightest, but this is my post/opinion so w/e).

 

I'm a HUGE fan of the post-match segment, incorporating so many outside elements and giving us some flavor with The Family, giving that group more presence and OOMPH, which is what you need in wrestling. Keep this stuff coming when possible.

 

- Holiday Amber

 

Perhaps given the timing, they had to fast-track this feud which led to so many crazy thing shappening in such little time. Ideally, the kidnap segment and this happen on different weeks. I do think this did a great job in showing that Marisa isn't just a victim, but is actively pursuing the woman who's executed all of the heinous shit over the last few weeks, but it definitely feels a bit rushed.

 

I don't mean to insinuate that I'm not excited for their PPV match on Saturday, first blood with the women is yet another example of how we've taken a limited platform and turned it into an amazing spectacle. (Shout outs to Aries/Spider and Emp/Valkyrie on this front as well).

 

I am excited for the match, I do with it had a little more time to breath buit we live and learn.

 

- KC Barrett Solo Promo

 

No lie, I am happy Barrett walked out with the win in the triple threat, as he's the most refined and cared for character among the three.

 

His care is reflected well in this RP as well. Completely solo, yet is gives you such great insight over what kind of guy he is. You can infer a lot from a guys appearance/music/entrance/presentation but these words and the AWESOME use of the Morrison Method to set the scene, this is what makes OCW characters stand out and this is what makes motherfuckers care when they end up on a PPV.

 

I enjoyed the starter feud with Chance and I'm so happy KC is sticking around with this kind of character work.

 

I can see KC being a big name if the handler decides he wants to put in the effort long-term.

 

- Ashley Moore vs Alyssa Marceaux

 

Hoo boy.

 

So first off, you won't find a more vocal supporter of Ashley Moore than me, except for maybe Jay.

 

Ashley - from day 1 - has shown up and put in work/effort and been a good hand, even without being all that present in chat. She's a perfect example that you don't need to rub nuts with people behind the scenes to get ahead. Everyone respects Ashley as a handler and a character for good reason.

 

Now into the bad...

 

Alyssa came out on RIOT. That's a fucking embarrassment. There's literally no reason for it. I can't even think up a logical reason that this would make it through to the final stages. I said the same about B17 when his stupid ass did it last year.

 

I've thought about it and as irrelevant as it is, I'm fired up about it because I know both handlers are better than this. I can't believe I have to explain this to adults:

 

OCW IS A COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING WE DO WORKS WITHOUT ALTRUISM.

 

You get a RIOT entrance sent to you? Tell that dumb MF that they have the wrong show and to re-record.

 

Honestly, not knowing the show you're on happens, but it literally takes like 4 clicks of a mouse to figure it out.

 

This one really pissed me off, and I could go on, but I'm not going to because the parties involved know how poorly this reflects on them.

 

This is a tangent at this point, but I have to say - this whole idea of "This person wasn't 100% kosher to work with/didn't communicate with me perfectly so I'm going to fuck them on purpose" isn't the home run you think it is. I'm not accusing Ashley of maliciously leaving the RIOT entrance in here on Turmoil, but if she had, it doesn't matter.

 

You both look fucking stupid now. Now every time someone watches this, they will only talk about this entrance. Look how long I've spent on it already? If you wanna be selfish, don't you want people to see the match? See your entrance? Your performance?

 

OCW > your petty bullshit. That's a general statement for everyone.

 

Now the match itself - Ashley's transition to 2K22 has sour'd me a bit because they have fallen a bit too far into the "pure PvP" aspect and of anyone, they abuse the shit out of the dodge mechanic.

 

It's not about fairness, it's about watchability. It's definitely fair and within FPR, but it's kinda lame to watch dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge spin kick spin kick spin kick.

 

I have found it easy to give myself a built-in limit per match, if that helps anyone. If you don't care as long as it's not in the rulebook, that's your prerogative. I don't love it.

 

Ashley is the fucking QUEEN and deserves it and honestly even without this quirk. You can't JUST dodge a bunch and be as great as she is. That combined with the reputation she's built as a character, person, and handler make this shit way easier for me to forgive. Ashley is awesome and has been from the jump because she puts in EFFORT. EFFORT always wins out.

 

Even when you make mistakes, EFFORT will correct them. EFFORT was something that was clearly not displayed in Alyssa's entrance, in Baker's FPR, in Asher's Entrance, etc.

 

For Alyssa the character, I've always been okay with her, but this recent evolution had me excited until this show. Any good will the character had with me is out the window now, and that might be a statement on me, but you (Elliott) should look at it as how fragile reputation can be in life and why you should TRY in everything you put forward as long as you care about how it's viewed. I look forward to how she bounces back going forward! That fragility goes both ways and something awesome could easily erase this from memory.

 

- Reese & Nate RP

 

RPOTN for sure. I've loved their work up to this point and I think the pairing has been perfect from the start.

 

Of the feuds on the leadup to Clash and beyond, this one is one I've just been sitting back and enjoying. They haven't relied on big pop moments or crazy brawls like I usually love, but pure unadulterated character work between two of the more well-rounder characters we have in OCW right now.

 

Nate has already done his heavy lifting and even after that, he's able to give his effort in these kinds of segments, providing them the care and attention these characters deserve.

 

#1 match I'm looking forward to at Clash. Sorry, not sorry.

 

- Blacksmith & Hito

 

This has MOSTLY been another feud I've enjoyed sitting back and absorbing. This one was a little trickier, as the cell thing kinda came out of nowhere.

 

Not the stipulation, but this segment.

 

The segment itself was awesome and did what it should have, but w/ a cell, I think a simple promo room deal announcing the cell would be there the week before or some kind of advertisement about it to make sense of the cell's presence would have helped.

 

Either way, "SUDDEN CELL" aside, this told the exact story you'd expect and the shot of Horse walking in with the head on out of the foreground was pure heat.

 

Another match I'm so very excited for next Saturday. The build and matchup between these two has been awesome and I'm glad they committed to a multi-month/long term feud, when we see so many feuds end after a single match these days.

 

- El Parca vs Claudio Stardom

 

Fucking awesome match between two champions who have a lot of momentum. No real notes about the match, very enjoyable and I was very happy this one went off without a hitch since I booked it as the show stealer. Awesome OCW instincts here by all parties to see an opportunity to build off a feud with a booking and using it to their advantage.

 

With Sanctum's recent actions + this, they're clearly leaning into the shit bag behavior, which I like. That is a group that has so much to offer as heels.

 

I'm a little disappointed in the tag teams direction in the 2nd half of 2022, I have immense pride in the tag team ranks in OCW and part of that is because I love tag team wrestling IRL. We need guys to step up and get into those ranks for reasons other than "Lets make a tag team just so we can break up in 2 months". I know I'm a bit of a hypocrite here given Cutlass', but there were IRL factors that led to that, that saddened both Baxter and I greatly to have to go that direction.

 

Rant aside, OWEN and Parca is going to be pure physicality and hatred and they've really handled this feud and the double turn (?) excellently. OWEN knowing how he's viewed and knowing what he has to do to get in the place he wants to be is that wrestling awareness I love to see.

 

Great match.

 

- Deborah x Jas Face Off

 

When I started the program, I didn't realize how amazing it would turn out to be. The organic changes on the fly we made and what we turned it into is a testament to the culture OCW has ingrained on both of us.

 

Jean is a treat to work with. That's all I got on my own segment.

 

- Ashley's Goals

 

Ashley stakes her claim to the women's world title, which I think we maybe don't do enough around here, though I understand not wanting to be a "pixel" whore and make it look like you're only here for one thing.

 

In Ashley's case, she has the context, history and resume to call her shot here and I love it. I also love wrapping in the entire division to help make OCW feel whole instead of a several individual pieces. Ashley still has here eyes on Van Park, so we'll see what comes of that... Either way, the women's division is sparking up quite well in the 2nd half of 2022. 2023 should have some great shit on this side of things.

 

- Concrete Jungle/Tre x Claudio

 

Big ole pop for Tre in this one. I simply love the fact that Parker tried to embarrass Tre and went into business for himself by giving Tre a dancing entrance (when he didn't provide an entrance himself, classic tre) and how badly it backfired.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Tre is one of my more favorable characters right now and him leaning into this fun-loving, aggressive side is way more fun than his hyper serious wrestler guy character.

 

I will say, there's absolutely a part of this that needs to be considered... Would I enjoy this as much if Tre wasn't working directly with Ry/Claudio? Someone who consistently buries 99% of us in work ethic and effort? I don't know that.

 

Time will tell after their feud ends if Tre just fucks off and stops trying or if he grabs the bull by the horns and rides this awesome evolution of his character to the next level.

 

That aside, the segment went a *tad* long, though given the climax I think it was intentional. The length was there to divert your expectations and make the finale so strong. Our mid card title feuds have been handled with fun and care and I can't ask much more than that.

 

Good luck to both Claudio and Tre in their match next Saturday. Keep up the good work.

 

- Main Event/ OCW vs Kasstianity Saga

 

It had to come to blows at some point.

 

I won't comment too much since I was a part of it, but just know we did try our damndest to get the 4v4 as originally planned in here. It just didn't work.

 

Given the situation we found ourselves in, the final product was a ton of fun and we were able to work Rust and KD back into it. Shouts to each of them (and everyone else) for being about as good a sport as you can be given a shitty situation and giving us an awesome main event. Chaos, effort, drama, it had everything I could have asked for.

 

Now, I will put Kassidy Hayes down at clash once and for all and we can put this Kasstianity shit behind us. I can only hope Colin holds up his end of the bargain.

 

I'd express more confidence in him, but he couldn't even be bothered to match colors with Maxx, Rust, and I, so idk where his head is at.

 

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- In Full

 

This show was bad. It just was. There's always enjoyable marks in any bad show, just like there was here. I'm so proud of what we were able to do in the main event as well as some of the other high notes I've hit in this review here, but that's the thing... Even with high points, the product as a whole can be dragged down if others can't hold up their end of the bargain. Not a single one of us is able to exist on an island.

 

I'm selfish myself for wanting you all to do better, because that will make things I do seem even better.

 

(fake)Jokes aside, last month for Red Sun Rising, I was angry. I called that go-home show shit as it deserved because it had the same exact kind of easily avoidable, lazy bullshit mistakes this one did.

 

Honest effort and a one off mistake is one thing. Not even giving this fed and your community members the effort they deserve is another thing.

 

It's a stupid video game. It's a silly fake wrestling fed, yes. If you choose to view it that way, that's your prerogative.

 

You wanna look at me as a goofy fucking mark who gets mad at a video game? That's also fine. Your call.

 

But I did not commit myself to a community, I did not commit myself to a guy like Jay, who puts in more work and effort than some of you could fucking dream of during a 14 hour dorito-induced snack nap, to show up on Fridays week after week after week after week and be met with this garbage.

 

You can be mad at me all you want. If you don't care about the product enough to put in effort, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'd rather go out knowing OCW has 8 awesome handlers who respect this place than 60 who couldn't give a fuck about anything other than their own matches.

 

If you don't care, own it. Be a fucking grown up. Don't pretend you have a third of the stones than Jay has and point fingers and make excuses.

 

We're all going to die one day. We all work. We all have families and careers to care about. We have such little time in this world and those in this community decided to spend their free time creating a fun, immersive, serious, joyous product for all of us to enjoy. I can't make you give a shit about OCW, but at least show some fucking respect to your fellow human beings who struggle in their daily lives and want a release by not sullying this incredible community with your half-hearted, bullshit effort.

 

That's not targeted to anyone in general. That goes for everyone including me as a reminder, even if you sometimes feel it's not worth going on. Either contribute to OCW being the greatest e-fed this world has ever seen, or get the fuck out and go do something that DOES bring you joy and happiness.

 

Sorry for any rudeness throughout, I honestly only hope for greater things moving forward and I KNOW Clash will deliver. It's just never a bad time for a reminder of what an incredible place Jay & those who came before us provided and how fragile it all can be.

 

See you in chat :peace:

Edited December 12, 2022 by Quartz

[Mr.Sensation]

ILU, you big wide shaped giant bird!

 

This was almost 2006 JCS I love it!

 

2022 JCS = Do better dummies!

 

<3

[Anthony Baker]

I'm a man who will own up his mistakes and learn from them. This is just the beginning of something more. Everyone makes mistakes but it's time to BE BETTER and DO BETTER.

[H20_]

I'm a man who will own up his mistakes and learn from them. This is just the beginning of something more. Everyone makes mistakes but it's time to BE BETTER and DO BETTER.

 

I know you will little brother.

[Quartz]

I know you will little brother.

 

Not if you're teaching him, he won't.

[Mr.Sensation]

Not if you're teaching him, he won't.

[Kassidy Hayes]

- EMP/Shianne RP

 

 

All in all, as I expected, the words here provided a nice buffer and I enjoyed this one a lot. Empress, even through her sometimes shaky grammar and spelling, is very funny and I honestly see that fault as a positive, since it leads to some crude and hilarious interactions.

 

 

 

I like to think of this as a on purpose thing as emp is a foreigner, i never correct her grammer in rps lol, like drago back in the day when jay thought he didnt speak english

[H20_]

Not if you're teaching him, he won't.

 

If you say so.

[Shianne Lovelace]

I like to think of this as a on purpose thing as emp is a foreigner, i never correct her grammer in rps lol, like drago back in the day when jay thought he didnt speak english

 

100%!

I tried to correct things that were off in the actions and etc while we were writing if I caught it, but I didn't correct any of the dialogue for this reason.