CCW Turmoil 05-13-2008

[Nate Ortiz]

Here is my interpretation of what went on in the match. I pointed out what I saw. And tried to give my interpretation on what Smythe saw as well as if I thought it was broken FPR as well. These are just what FPR I saw broken accident's and all. My comments are inside the ()

 

3:28 : (Brad is striking Poe, now I don’t know if Brad was going to continue to punch or go for a grapple. But Poe strikes before Brad has a chance to do either. Now at this time this is not against FPR, but it crappy and can lead to many tylers. Try to reverse the moves don’t mash the strike button.)

 

4:24 : Brad fails to reset after Poe exits the ring

Reset after he exits the ring? Are we creating rules now that we are on the FPR Team Smythe? If you create a rule, fucking post it. There is nothing bad about this ethically nor is it against FPR. He slid out of the ring, and I punched him. There was no tyler, there was no knock down or get up. He slid right out to me. He ended up reversing my attack 3 seconds later. This is you looking for things that are not there.

(Just like entering the ring when exiting the ring you reset to give your opponent a proper chance of offense.)

 

5:21 : Poe fails to reset after Brad gets into ring

This was an accident. He apologized in game. He was mashing buttons to get up. Stop picking on accidents you asshole. Unless you had a mic plugged into that game, you did not hear the conversation. Accidents happen, it was one strike.

(He’s just pointing out broken FPR, yes mistakes happen. Even in a Nate match or a Smythe match they happen. Doesn’t mean it isn’t against FPR.)

 

7:49 : (Brad throws Poe into the ring punches, while still outside the ring punches him and then gets in the ring and attempts a ground grapple. When someone is on the ground no matter the situation you make a choice either you strike or ground grapple you don’t do both.)

 

11:47: Poe reverse hover

Agreed, no biggie on my account here. I have no complaints about it.

 

13:56: Bauer attempted hover with ladder

Actually no, I was trying to set the ladder up in the corner...I failed I hit the button twice. Cut the witch hunt already...

(It looks like you try to go to the corner but then you attempt to ladder strikes as Poe gets up. Setting up the ladder and striker aren’t the same button, so if you were trying to set up the ladder it didn’t look like that.

 

14:09: Bauer failure to reset after entering ring

If you want to get picky yes...clearly he reversed it, what's the issue?

(He reversed the second chop, and that doesn’t excuse the fact that you got right back into the ring and started attacking. That is just like reverse hovering.)

 

14:31 : (Brad you barely let Poe take a step back after the pain animation. You need to let your opponent reset before you step forward, and attack.)

 

15:05: Bauer weapon attack during pain animation

Strikes are permitted during pain animation. Further, you didn't have a problem with Bold STRONG GRAPPLING ME THREE TIMES during our DM for the DM Tag Titles last night. But you have a problem with a weapon strike?

(Attacking in a pain animation is not reversible, meaning it is against FPR. You don’t do it.)

 

15:12 : (Brad you pick Poe up after the first kendo stick attack. And you don’t even let him reset you hit him with the weapon again. The rule on pick ups is for finisher situation’s only. If you pick someone up and you’re not going for a finisher you are supposed to back off.)

 

15:29 : (Brad tyler’s and Poe doesn’t allow a reset he goes right for an attack.)

 

16:27: Poe failure to reset after Brad exits the ring

I saw him running at me, and I started to swing the chair. I don't see the problem, I had time to reverse this, and just didn't.

(That doesn’t make it right he is still supposed to let you get out of the ring unattacked.)

 

17:33 : (Poe needs to back up and reset when he gets up. This is a reverse hover.)

 

18:35: Poe attempted hover

NO...this happens Smythe when you are ground striking and tapping your buttons. Sometimes your opponent gets up and you are still hitting the button. CUT THE FUCKING SHIT ALREADY WITH YOUR WITCH HUNT.

(It looked to me like you were on your feet when Poe attacked. Looked like an attempted hover to me.)

 

18:55: Failure to reset after Bauer leaves the ring BOTH

Reactionary on both parts. Notice I ran back to reset immediately after the Tyler. Again, you are just picking this match apart.

(Let both players reset when you exit the ring. You did so after the attack but it still happened.)

 

19:15 : (Looks to me like Poe attempts a reverse hover but gets met with a trash can.)

 

20:18: Poe reverse hover

He reacted as I slid into the ring. This is not a TRUE reverse Hover as it wasn't a knockdown get up. There has to be some leeway with our definition of a reverse hover.

(He is supposed to allow you time to reset when you get back into the ring. He did not, this was a hover.)

 

21:01 : (Seemed to me like you using the drag and foot choke with taunt in order to avoid Poe finisher. Ethically that looked bad IMO.)

 

21:23: Poe weapon attack while Brad is in pain animation

He swang before he realized I was going into the pain animation. Not a big deal. Did not cause any issue in my damage or outcome of the match.

(If you were not in the pain animation it would have still been a hover, when your opponent gets off the ground you stand up and reset.)

 

21:47: Bauer failure to reset after leaving the ring

HE MISSED A RUNNING GRAPPLE AS I WAS EXITING THE RING. My attack was perfectly legal, and ethically sound. HE MISSED A FUCKING RUNNING GRAPPLE. Jesus, are you blind?

(When you go outside of the ring you are both supposed to reset. He missed the running grapple before you were even out of the ring. This one here is close and I can understand why you attacked her. But you are supposed to reset both players.)

 

21: 58 : (You both needed to reset here looked like a reverse hover to me. I say it because Brad gets up and turns and in about a second attacks as Poe was about to as well. This is why you need to back up.)

 

22:08: Bauer failure to reset after a tyler

NO, he clearly missed his grapple, punch was thrown at the same time. THIS WAS NOT A TYLER.

 

22:15 : (Brad you pick Poe up and toss him back in the ring. That is fine. What wasn’t alright was that you hit him 3 times while he was on the mat. Picking him up and tossing him back in the ring is the same as picking someone up and backing off. You don’t attack.)

 

22:42: Bauer reverse hover

Again, what FUCKING match are you watching. I REVERSED HIS GROUND GRAPPLE AND STOOD BACK UP. Are you telling me you cannot attack after reversing a ground grapple?

(This was alright as you reversed his ground grapple.)

[Tyro Kraven]

If Nate takes the time to write down a FpR report on one match,then it must have been one hell of a clusterfuck lol. Im gonna write my report when i get back from work,ill leave this match out since it's already getting discussed.

 

Just a little side note. Smythe is on the F.P.R police. Now he knows F.P.R well but part of the F.P.R police is telling people they did something wrong. I feel like Smythe be the wrong person to do this since he easyly rubes people the wrong way. Against newguys he might get the point across...but allot of established guys especially guys who entered around the same time..will never accept critisim from Smythe. Mainly because of his "Wonder "Report" and somewhat "unique" perspective on things. Im sure even if Brad makes a feedback on Nate's comments,it will be toned down and with a little more restraint or just plain accepted,cause it's Nate saying it. So all i'm saying is even Smythe has a great F.P.R if he cant make people listen to him he might not be the perfect guy for F.P.R business

[Eddie Allen]

FPR controversy = Ratings

[The Air]

Well here's too hoping for a report soon! So we can have some show discussion instead of fpr discussion. :(

[Versus]

Nah EA...

 

\_0_/ = ratings.

[Smythe D. Wonder]

at 22:42 I am wrong... Brad did reverse a ground grapple... after rewatching...

 

my fault...

 

the rest of it tho... I'm not... everyone on the roster knows that when people enter and exit the ring there is a reset involved... as nowone is ever attacked upon entering and exiting the ring...

 

personally I was disgusted watching this match... I know there was trash talk before the match.. but it doesn't mean you play the match like a cheesy fuck... a guy who wants to Main Event doesn't do cheeseball shit like back to back top rope attacks... and he doesn't play like a newb to OCW...

 

drawing from personal experience me and AA have had some massive flame wars that have led to matches... and both of those matches turned out good...

 

the fact that Nate has to watch the match just to say that you had a shitty match... after BOLD and DEANO and I go through the thing is even more disgusting... unjustified... and mehish... did you think it was good when you did it... Poe's excuse is he was lagging and messed up a few times... you on the other hand... have no excuse...

 

and Tyro I understand your point completely... and your right... I'm not the pat you on the back kind of person... and having me pass judgement on people might not go over too well because I'm very fast to get into arguments and whatnot... but hey... I took on the job... and I watch the matches... I am how I am... and everything is put to a vote... people don't have to listen to me at all... all they have to do is follow the rules... and there's no interaction with FPR at all... I will not order people around... I will not be abuse with the responsibility and I will NEVER post and FPR decision without the popular vote so technically I'm just a guy on a panel... the loudest guy on the panel... but just one vote nonetheless...

 

and I won't shy away from making whatever comments I want either...

 

so Bradly enjoy your fall from grace after this clusterfuck... even if you don't believe any of my findings... Nate found all of the same minus I think 2 spots... and he found about 5 more... it goes to the panel now...

[Brad Bauer]

Smythe, you're a fucking moron...there is nothing further I an say about that.

 

Nate I appreciate the time you took to review the match. Clearly your account of things was not as POOR as what Smythe made it out to be. Further, the ladder set up in the corner is the SAME as the strike button. I double tapped it while running to the corner to avoid sliding back outside the ring with it. When Poe got up a strike animation occurred. It never touched him, no harm done.

 

One of Poe's strikes that MISSED me did come after he was stomping me. This happens in all of our matches, but Jackasses like Deano and Smythe don't comment on it because it doesn't suit them.

 

Since we have SOOOOOOooooo many rules that are NOT clearly defined in the FPR section, that needs to be updated.

 

Using foot choke to disarm a finisher is fine ethicially. Its no different than somebody chaining together three quick grapples to do the same thing.

 

Smythe, DO not ever question my climb or decent up any ladder. That is not your distinction to make. Give me your little strike that you're so fucking anxious to give.. Hey, how about you retest me for FPR? Better yet, why don't we have you Record the 10 hours of do's and don'ts that are suddenly around.

 

THAT MATCH WAS NOT BAD...with exception to two or three spots that were still, not POOR or a disgrace as you have made them out to be. I'm pretty fucking livid. I'm livid to the point where I actually just want to fucking leave.

 

And Deano, its obvious why you are taking shots at me. You don't need to do that in order to reach the top of the mountain. But if you insist upon being an asshole, you've gotten my attention.

[Adrian Bold]

Brad stop crying just admit your wrong fuck

[Smythe D. Wonder]

are you delusional... Nate had MORE spots than I did.. and you thank him??? hahahaha...

 

and since when was the ladder set up the X button???

 

and since when did someone have to be special to tell you that your turning into quite the fuck-up... would you rather hear it from Nate??? would you then thank him for calling you a fuck up...

 

someone give Bauer back his tool icon... apparently he's lost it...

 

I don't want to give you a strike... I'd much rather have the title of FPR and never have to do anything... in past OCW days... I'm sure you would have gotten a suspension... but for this one... don't say I want to give you a strike... I'm pretty sure that you've EARNED yourself one...

 

and if you want to leave because you fucked up in a match and you might get a strike... that's you....

 

we've been complaining how long about how FPR needed to clamp down on shinanigans... then when it starts to happen... this is what we get???

[Nate Ortiz]

Smythe, you're a fucking moron...there is nothing further I an say about that.

 

Nate I appreciate the time you took to review the match. Clearly your account of things was not as POOR as what Smythe made it out to be. Further, the ladder set up in the corner is the SAME as the strike button. I double tapped it while running to the corner to avoid sliding back outside the ring with it. When Poe got up a strike animation occurred. It never touched him, no harm done.

 

Don't you set the ladder up with A. And you attack with X.

 

One of Poe's strikes that MISSED me did come after he was stomping me. This happens in all of our matches, but Jackasses like Deano and Smythe don't comment on it because it doesn't suit them.

 

It looked to me as if you were already on your feet before the strike was even attempted. Jest be missed one as you were getting up but you were up when he went for the punch.

 

Since we have SOOOOOOooooo many rules that are NOT clearly defined in the FPR section, that needs to be updated.

 

People cry about to many rules, but right here is an example of why everything needs to be written out so people can't make excuses.

 

Using foot choke to disarm a finisher is fine ethicially. Its no different than somebody chaining together three quick grapples to do the same thing.

Leon got shit for running away from AA's perk a while back. How is this different you use a running attack to get the guy down then drag him, which is irreversable, to the ropes and do a taunt wich pretty much runs out any chance of a finisher before you even do the rope attack. The difference with quick grapples would be that all parts are reversable. If this is ok people might as well start running away from finishers.

Further more aren't you more a face now. Why would you be doing the leg choke anyway?

 

Smythe, DO not ever question my climb or decent up any ladder. That is not your distinction to make. Give me your little strike that you're so fucking anxious to give.. Hey, how about you retest me for FPR? Better yet, why don't we have you Record the 10 hours of do's and don'ts that are suddenly around.

 

THAT MATCH WAS NOT BAD...with exception to two or three spots that were still, not POOR or a disgrace as you have made them out to be. I'm pretty fucking livid. I'm livid to the point where I actually just want to fucking leave.

 

And Deano, its obvious why you are taking shots at me. You don't need to do that in order to reach the top of the mountain. But if you insist upon being an asshole, you've gotten my attention.

 

IMO the match was bad. FPR will put it up for discussion and once that decision is made it is End of story.