Chris Ryder Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I know this wont change anything.... But theres no such thing as an auto-win, momentum is earned. A victory is earned not automatic. The sub class gets butchered because people no sell finishers, is the way I view it. OCW is trying to be as realistic as possible. Once finishers are hit in real life the match is over, with the exception of big matches at ppvs. I've never seen somebody get out of a liontamer, sharpshooter or ankle lock if it was strapped on in the middle of the ring. You cud have made a rule if theres visible damage & a fin is hit, match over. Instead u have ppl like myself kicking out of 3 fins a match, just for it to end with a groggy grapple after a 25 min match. If realism and balance is the goal that's a simple solution instead of making one class weak as fuck and others balanced. Thats the stupid rook's honest logic. John Cena = Dupree http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp217/RyderOCW/CenaREF.gif 1
Leon Valentine Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I know this wont change anything.... But theres no such thing as an auto-win, momentum is earned. A victory is earned not automatic. The sub class gets butchered because people no sell finishers, is the way I view it. OCW is trying to be as realistic as possible. Once finishers are hit in real life the match is over, with the exception of big matches at ppvs. I've never seen somebody get out of a liontamer, sharpshooter or ankle lock if it was strapped on in the middle of the ring. You cud have made a rule if theres visible damage & a fin is hit, match over. Instead u have ppl like myself kicking out of 3 fins a match, just for it to end with a groggy grapple after a 25 min match. If realism and balance is the goal that's a simple solution instead of making one class weak as fuck and others balanced. Thats the stupid rook's honest logic. I came up with a three lives rule which means you're only able to kick out of about three finishers. Any after that you're done. But people didn't like the idea. You don't even need to mash, you can just time the bar and kick out. I personaly hate it and imho makes matches' look stupid. However people like it because of the competitive side. You're right though that matches' go on for about 30 mins and we get kinda meh endings now. We would not have this issue if we could reduce kickouts but nothing we can do I am afraid because the majority don't like it. I agree with you 100% however about the finishers though and if this was done then we woulden't have this issue with your class.
Trevor McManus Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 3 lives doesn't solve it. 1 life would. http://positivesharing.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/complaining.jpg [23:39] locoNY911: You get solace in the fact you arent a fuck up. 2k9's better than 2k8. Like being shot in the knee is better than being shot in the head. - Guy Fausto [18:40] locoNY911: I mostly aggree with your statements
Leon Valentine Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 3 lives doesn't solve it. 1 life would. 3 lifes just reduces the chance of how many people would kick out of a finisher. One finisher would be better but I doubt people would want that. I know I would want it lol.
Parker Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 3 lives doesn't solve it. 1 life would. 1 life wouldnt solve it either, if you hit a finisher on me with in the first 3 minutes of a match, there's NO WAY IN HELL I'm just gonna be like 'oh well, match over'. And not every match is 30 minutes...see me vs Dane..Road to Glory.. 7 minutes. ;) http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5774/sig2uq.jpg 2 x Hardcore Champion (Longest defending OCW champ,19 defences) 1 x NA Champion 1 x Pride Champion 1 x TV Champion 2 x OCW World Heavyweight Champion F.I Winner 2012 MOTN vs Leonheart @ Wrestlution 7 'Don't worry about no one else, hows my hair look' - Tiberius Dupree 'Wipe you ass and go to bed' - Sensation to B17
Trevor McManus Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 1 life wouldnt solve it either, if you hit a finisher on me with in the first 3 minutes of a match, there's NO WAY IN HELL I'm just gonna be like 'oh well, match over'. And not every match is 30 minutes...see me vs Dane..Road to Glory.. 7 minutes. ;) You'd get to kick out that first time. But not after that. If you take 2 finishers that quickly then you could argue you deserve to lose quick. http://positivesharing.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/complaining.jpg [23:39] locoNY911: You get solace in the fact you arent a fuck up. 2k9's better than 2k8. Like being shot in the knee is better than being shot in the head. - Guy Fausto [18:40] locoNY911: I mostly aggree with your statements
Leon Valentine Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 1 life wouldnt solve it either, if you hit a finisher on me with in the first 3 minutes of a match, there's NO WAY IN HELL I'm just gonna be like 'oh well, match over'. And not every match is 30 minutes...see me vs Dane..Road to Glory.. 7 minutes. ;) If you think back to 07, we had the a damage meter. We would only let people use a finisher once someone was double red. The sad thing is THQ were stupid and took that out the game. However we could make it that the person has to be hurt, so when you see that the person has his hand over his head you can go for a finisher anytime in the match. I agree having a finisher done one minute into the match would be stupid. However kicking out of finisher after finisher is stupid too. So you always have the option of having to be hurt before you can hit your finisher like the good old days.
The Guy Fausto Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Actually I preferred it myself when finisher=death. But I'm not FPR, I fiddle with these numbers and try to make them fair in relation to FPR. If we went to an injured finisher=death rule, the numbers would be more generous for Stretcher/Sub and even to the point where Tech/Shooter/Showman could use submission finishers again since they wouldn't be any big deal, since you're fucked any way you cut it. But as is, Submissions are VERY powerful so hence why I have to oppress them like Ryder's hero.
Tiberius Dupree Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I understand that Trev, but if u give everyone a base charisma & base durability, turn up the durability or make resiliancy legal u can have a 15 min match with one finisher. Instead of a 25 min match with 4 fins hit. Have a standard SHW, HW, LW and Luch class all with equal dur and char, with tweaked stats that equal the same rating. So now even playing field instead of the pointless overlapping classes. "You either die a hero or live long enough to become Nate Ortiz" - Drago Cesar "Let me make myself clear: you work for me. If I tell you to fight Blaine, you fight Blaine. Hell, if I tell you to fight a lion, you WILL fight a lion and still thank me afterwards for giving you a job." - Mr. Sensation
Parker Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Resil does NOTHING in 2011. It helped with kickouts in 09, was broken in 2010 and worked sporadically, and in 2011 it's useless. http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5774/sig2uq.jpg 2 x Hardcore Champion (Longest defending OCW champ,19 defences) 1 x NA Champion 1 x Pride Champion 1 x TV Champion 2 x OCW World Heavyweight Champion F.I Winner 2012 MOTN vs Leonheart @ Wrestlution 7 'Don't worry about no one else, hows my hair look' - Tiberius Dupree 'Wipe you ass and go to bed' - Sensation to B17
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