Ocw Class Balance Patch 4.0

[Jacob Trance]

The lower tech stats means quite a few apparent "kick out demons" won't be the same any more. I managed to bash out of my first pin against Earnsmore yesterday, I felt accomplished, then failed to do it moments later.

 

Three kick outs from a FINISHER I feel is fair, kicking out after random moves, well that's your perrogative and would help eradicate silly endings as finisher kick outs would be limited, whereas going for a pin after a rebound move is fair game.

 

However, I still feel the Technical class should have 80 tech, their buff is a reward for reversing. I can reverse your toekick, and put you into a quick grapple just as easily as they would get the reverse into one...

[Leon Valentine]

The lower tech stats means quite a few apparent "kick out demons" won't be the same any more. I managed to bash out of my first pin against Earnsmore yesterday, I felt accomplished, then failed to do it moments later.

 

Three kick outs from a FINISHER I feel is fair, kicking out after random moves, well that's your perrogative and would help eradicate silly endings as finisher kick outs would be limited, whereas going for a pin after a rebound move is fair game.

 

It would still make matches' drag tbh like Trevor said.

 

However if we were to go with having to get your opponent hurt before being able to do a finisher. So say for example Fausto vs Leon, Fausto gets me hurt and hits the cutter. Finisher = Death.

 

This way we wont get a quick ending unless you suck and get your ass handed to you. You are also able to counter finishers like the good old days before you could kick out like you can now.

[Aries]

I kind of agree with Dupree's idea. Classes just make everything the more complicated. You could argue "not everyone's the same", but I mean...come on, do stats REALLY make your CAW? In a ranked match maybe, but this is OCW. You get your character over by RPing, and if you're not good at that, winning matches.

 

Is there really a need for everyone to be different when it comes to stats?

 

And if you want the submission thing fixed, just make it a universal stat like Durability. I play Ryder in DM's all the time, and he can never make me tap when I use my HW CAW, and I only have a 75 sub as Technical. Keep in mind, this is all pre-nerf.

 

Give HW's, LHW's and SHW's a universal sub stat. HW's/SHW's 65-75, LHW's 70-80.

 

As for the pin thing...this is an age old arguement. I personally like Leon's idea. Make it like SvR07. You can't see if they're double red, but you can tell if they're damaged, and that would be enough to warrant you hitting a finisher, or attempting one. I mean, hell, if I get hit with someone's finisher, I deserve to get pinned, not kick out about 5 times. I don't care what anyone says, there is no skill or competition in REPITITION.

 

You want to make the game fair ground for everyone, yet you take away submission signature finishes, and now you kill submissionists. Why not do the same to the pinning system? Not everyone can kick out like a select few, so by OCW's definition...wouldn't that be unfair? I mean, OCW seems to think everything else is unfair, so why not this?

[Trevor McManus]

I still like the idea of at least 1 kickout.

 

Finisher = Death is pretty sucky. You should get at least 1 shot at kicking out.

[Parker]

The lower tech stats means quite a few apparent "kick out demons" won't be the same any more. I managed to bash out of my first pin against Earnsmore yesterday, I felt accomplished, then failed to do it moments later.

 

Three kick outs from a FINISHER I feel is fair, kicking out after random moves, well that's your perrogative and would help eradicate silly endings as finisher kick outs would be limited, whereas going for a pin after a rebound move is fair game.

 

However, I still feel the Technical class should have 80 tech, their buff is a reward for reversing. I can reverse your toekick, and put you into a quick grapple just as easily as they would get the reverse into one...

 

I now have 55 tech and noticed ZERO difference in my kickout ability.

 

Can we quit all this '3 lives' crap now, we have been over this, you can't limit people just becasue they are better at mashing out than you are.

 

Matches might drag, but that's the competition element of the game this year, if your gonna say 'no, you cant kick out after that' then OCW might as well become a scripted fed.

 

If THQ change the system again next year then who knows.

 

And you cant compare the 'double red' of 07 to the 'visible damage' of this year, as in 07 you limped around when you were only orange, and I'll be fucked if i'm letting someone pin me when i'm only 'orange/slightly' injured.

 

To Aries- You dont deserve to lose if you get hit with a finisher,not with the way this years game works, showman have 90 charisma, and can get a finisher off 2 reversals, in under a minute...that isn't exactly fair to me.

[Jacob Trance]

I now have 55 tech and noticed ZERO difference in my kickout ability.

 

Can we quit all this '3 lives' crap now, we have been over this, you can't limit people just becasue they are better at mashing out than you are.

 

Matches might drag, but that's the competition element of the game this year, if your gonna say 'no, you cant kick out after that' then OCW might as well become a scripted fed.

 

If THQ change the system again next year then who knows.

 

And you cant compare the 'double red' of 07 to the 'visible damage' of this year, as in 07 you limped around when you were only orange, and I'll be fucked if i'm letting someone pin me when i'm only 'orange/slightly' injured.

 

To Aries- You dont deserve to lose if you get hit with a finisher,not with the way this years game works, showman have 90 charisma, and can get a finisher off 2 reversals, in under a minute...that isn't exactly fair to me.

 

I was aiming it at less skilled people whom have only bashed out due to high tech stat, and since the nerf, can't.

[Parker]

I was aiming it at less skilled people whom have only bashed out due to high tech stat, and since the nerf, can't.

 

That was my point...i dont believe the tech stat, high or low, affects the ability to kickout at all.

 

unless it affect the 'timing' method and just not the mashing.

[Leon Valentine]

I now have 55 tech and noticed ZERO difference in my kickout ability.

 

Can we quit all this '3 lives' crap now, we have been over this, you can't limit people just becasue they are better at mashing out than you are.

 

Matches might drag, but that's the competition element of the game this year, if your gonna say 'no, you cant kick out after that' then OCW might as well become a scripted fed.

 

If THQ change the system again next year then who knows.

 

And you cant compare the 'double red' of 07 to the 'visible damage' of this year, as in 07 you limped around when you were only orange, and I'll be fucked if i'm letting someone pin me when i'm only 'orange/slightly' injured.

 

Yeah the 3 lives rule is done with.

 

But we have completly fucked over guys like Tiberius and Ryder just because people can kick out of finishers all the time. I understand his point and totaly agree with it.

 

Like I said before, this is nothing to do about mashing. People can kick out just the same by holding buttons in, I can do this. Anyone can really.

 

Also no you limped in red but you could restore it to oranage, I am pretty sure about that and you can do that in this game too.

[Trevor McManus]

To be fair Parker, you have 85 charisma. So you should get a finisher fast as shit also.

 

If we don't bring in any kind of rule then it comes down to pinning off of anything. I will just learn the people that can mash out and pin them off anything. So you go from looking strong as you no-sell 5 codebreakers to looking weak since you just jobbed to a german suplex.

[Parker]

I'd actually suggest making the submission class stronger, but we police who is a submissionist..so say Ryder,Dupree and Baxter are legit sub guys....and others like Hostile and say Dane have no place having submission finishers.

 

It wouldnt be that hard to do.

 

We could even do it for peoples class types they select....for instance, I believe jacob Trance is a showman, now IMO...he is not a showman, FPR could look at the selected classed etc...same with leon, i believe your technical..where as IMO your a showman.