Parker Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Not to start a massive 'gate' situation again, but Dennis, that WAS a pick up finisher my man, and that's a no-no FPR wise. You picked him up , and hovered him for like 3 seconds [basically stood right next to him] then hit the finisher, it's still a pick up finisher...just because you didn't hit Y or what ever the ps4 equivalent is as soon as he got to his feet doesn't change the situation. You should have reset, i.e backed right away to other side of the ring in order to hit the finisher clean. If you disagree then get one of the FPR police to look at it, but I'm telling you now that was a pick up finisher. This won't be 'Tank Gate part 2' as everything else is clean , and it's easily sorted. 1 http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5774/sig2uq.jpg 2 x Hardcore Champion (Longest defending OCW champ,19 defences) 1 x NA Champion 1 x Pride Champion 1 x TV Champion 2 x OCW World Heavyweight Champion F.I Winner 2012 MOTN vs Leonheart @ Wrestlution 7 'Don't worry about no one else, hows my hair look' - Tiberius Dupree 'Wipe you ass and go to bed' - Sensation to B17
Smythe D. Wonder Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 I think FPR police seriously need to go over the rules with you guys over there... It doesn't matter how long you wait... You cannot pick someone up and hit a finisher on them... Unless you use a wake up taunt... That rule is plain as day 3 Signature 1 - The Alpha Heel Signature 2 - Spear 5 (F) - Stargazer Finisher 1 - Flapjack 2 (F) - The SDW Finisher 2 - Reality check (G) - Dawonderful Dream Finisher 3 (i'm cool enoigh to claim 3 moves) - The Darkside - THe Million Dollar Dream
Jacob Trance Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 I think FPR police seriously need to go over the rules with you guys over there... It doesn't matter how long you wait... You cannot pick someone up and hit a finisher on them... Unless you use a wake up taunt... That rule is plain as day When you think about it a wake up taunt is irreversible and winds up with you in the same situation as a pick up finisher... Unless of course you hammer Y/Triangle as they're getting up which we technically frowned upon (for sigs) as it was classed as shady last year. Smythe is oddly right, our rules need scoured and honed to be brought into the modern era.
Jacob Trance Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 And lose the resiliency if you're not a champion god damn it people.
Leon Valentine Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Neither of us entertained it as being one until it was brought up yesterday. Pick Up Finishers - Are NOT allowed. An example is you hit the button to lift your opponent and either mid animation or as soon as he is standing you hit the (Y) button. I did neither of those things. He was lifted, and i walked around him while he was upright for exactly three seconds before attempting the finisher, which gave him plenty of time to prepare his reversal. I honestly view this claim as splitting hairs, and to say there needs to be a 'Black Gate' now that Tank Gate has pretty much concluded is pretty shitty considering that I was a party in Tank Gate. Seems like an attempt to spark unnecessary drama. If It was actually a rule break and I need to give them a year and half on their feet after lifting them, I apologize. But from what I read, I don't think the rules were broken. This was my first match after Tank Gate and I feel I went out of my way to avoid any questionable behavior. Joe and I spoke at length after and he was fine with the outcome and how things ended. Whether I win or lose, I play within the rules, and won't have someone suggesting otherwise. As Parker has already said, what you did was a pick up finisher whether you waited a few seconds or not it's illegal to do this. No one is trying to cause drama but just pointing out what you did was ILLEGAL and that you CAN'T do this. Hovering not just on Turmoil because it is happening on Riot as well is becoming a real big issue at the moment. It's happening in most of my matches and in dark matches and no one seems to understand what it is. I said it in the shout box months ago but JAY thinks I am being typical Leon. That handbook is getting ripped out and there is going to be a completely new one because I am sorry but NO ONE is getting half of these rules that are in place or can tell what's right from wrong. If you knock someone down and do a move you need to have a reset, as soon as that person gets up you can't rush them. THAT'S A HOVER. So much multiple grapple shit is going on when you get knocked down and I partly blame that on the fact that no one knows how many ground grapples or moves you can be hit with when on the floor. That and everyone I have spoken to tells you a different story so that is being addressed. I am not going to get into anymore right now until myself Spider and McGee get done with what we're already working on.
Leon Valentine Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Going back to the show a bit. Dennis please go back to using this...
Jimmy Henry Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 A series of videos to accompany the FPR rules would help massively, because with paragraphs of words after words, things become less obvious. Time allowing, I could help out with that aspect.
Leon Valentine Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 A series of videos to accompany the FPR rules would help massively, because with paragraphs of words after words, things become less obvious. Time allowing, I could help out with that aspect. Yeah completely agree, me and Spider are already working on it. Thanks Jimmy.
The Monster Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Neither of us entertained it as being one until it was brought up yesterday. Pick Up Finishers - Are NOT allowed. An example is you hit the button to lift your opponent and either mid animation or as soon as he is standing you hit the (Y) button. I did neither of those things. He was lifted, and i walked around him while he was upright for exactly three seconds before attempting the finisher, which gave him plenty of time to prepare his reversal. I honestly view this claim as splitting hairs, and to say there needs to be a 'Black Gate' now that Tank Gate has pretty much concluded is pretty shitty considering that I was a party in Tank Gate. Seems like an attempt to spark unnecessary drama. If It was actually a rule break and I need to give them a year and half on their feet after lifting them, I apologize. But from what I read, I don't think the rules were broken. This was my first match after Tank Gate and I feel I went out of my way to avoid any questionable behavior. Joe and I spoke at length after and he was fine with the outcome and how things ended. Whether I win or lose, I play within the rules, and won't have someone suggesting otherwise. I don't think anyone can blame Dennis for thinking what he did was legal by our rules when you read that rule. It makes it sound like we only ban it if you hit the finisher right after picking them up (and clearly his explanation of why he thinks it was legal shows that, that was indeed the impression he was under). We don't necessarily need new rules, we just need to make these ones better understandable, especially considering we have an entirely different brand this year without very many vet players on it. I've said this a couple of times in the last two months or so. I don't know who is supposed to be in charge of it (I feel like FPR police doesn't inherently include this, as police don't make the law they simply enforce the law), but if you want to delegate it down to me or something I'll get this shit done. The finisher rule being broken was one thing, cause that's plain as day in this rule book, but so many other sections are practically incomprehensible.
The Monster Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 This may be a stupid idea, but sometimes those are the only kinds I have at 12:30 at night, what if we had Jay or someone stream rewriting the rules on twitch? We could find a good time for a lot of the rookies, and people could ask questions as it's all rewritten (or at least readdressed) section by section.
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