Tiberius Dupree Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 I think Showman should be "Face" specific. Cause I can see everyone switching to being Showman for the charisma. And I can't name many Heels, besides maybe Hollywood Hogan, who are heel showman. "You either die a hero or live long enough to become Nate Ortiz" - Drago Cesar "Let me make myself clear: you work for me. If I tell you to fight Blaine, you fight Blaine. Hell, if I tell you to fight a lion, you WILL fight a lion and still thank me afterwards for giving you a job." - Mr. Sensation
Cody Storm Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 I can name lots Aj Styles, Ric Flair, Rick Rude, Shawn Michaels, The Miz, John Morrison, Goldust (albeit it's a weird showman). There are many more I'm sure, I'm just lazy
Dimsmore Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 I can name lots Aj Styles, Ric Flair, Rick Rude, Shawn Michaels, The Miz, John Morrison, Goldust (albeit it's a weird showman). There are many more I'm sure, I'm just lazy AJ: Flyer or Shooter Flair: Tech Miz: Brawler Morrison: Flyer Golddust: Brawler Shawn: Never a full fledged heel Rude I could give you, But the only other 2 I could give you that were Heels are The Rock and Hollywood Hogan.... But no one else in OCW is that kind of wrestler 2 "Nesquehoning penn, is the greatest hometown in the history of hometowns." - Mr.Sensation
Jacob Trance Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Michael Hayes anyone? SHAWN WAS A FULLY FLEDGED HEEL YOU TWIT. Plus if you havn't noticed, the majority of your apparent showmen were brawlers aswell.
K.Dangelo Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Michael Hayes ? You aren't serious are you? Plain and simple 98% of showman were and faces. THE ALPHA ! Dorien Arnaud :1x Ambition Champion, 1x hardcore champion Kat : 1x BombShell Queen K.Dangelo : 1 TV champion 2x Hardcore Champion 1X North American Champion 2x Tag Team Champion, 1x Pride champion Espado : 1x Light Heavy Champion
Dimsmore Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Even if he was... Shawn was a Flyer then... "Nesquehoning penn, is the greatest hometown in the history of hometowns." - Mr.Sensation
Jacob Trance Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Michael Hayes ? You aren't serious are you? Plain and simple 98% of showman were and faces. Just because he was a racist doesn't mean you can deny, that when the NWA was around he was a heel showman at the top of his game. Lex Luger was also a showman. Austin, Undertaker, Roddy Piper, Million Dollar Man, Randy Savage... Do you want me to continue?
The Guy Fausto Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Flair is out and out a Showman. His whole gag in the prime of his career was that anyone could outwrestle him, but he only got by on cunning and interference from the Horsemen. This made people despise him and made him more hated as a heel, and he played it up perfectly. Most technical thing he did was the Figure Four leglock and he rarely won with the damned thing. So is Miz. A lot of people could fall into two-classes, but their Charisma is what Miz and Flair play up the most. The fact that their style is leans in that way, you could call Hogan a brawler/power or Rock a technical/brawler. A 'heel' Showman is someone who oozes Charisma and uses it to be a complete and utter hateable prick. Me and Smythe were the examples because I really don't think we fit into anything else. You could argue Guy as Tech, or Smythe as Power, but truth of the matter is, Guy & Smythe's personalities are the most trumpeting thing about them, and neither of us really fight in such a way where those secondary traits would trump the Charisma.
The Guy Fausto Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 Also, if Showman does end up being overpowered with the tweaks, I'll be quick to get it nerfed. They're basically what Generalist was with extra Charisma, which from what I've seen, doesn't do much. Of course, since we don't know everything about it's engine, there might be some stupid little perk that opens up at 90 charisma we don't know about yet, so bleh. We are essentially balancing around something we can only decipher through anectdotal evidence and imperfect tests.
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