Tiberius Dupree Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Well technically Frank Mir can weigh like 260lbs and he's a submissionist fighter. So sub guys can be slow as well. But there should be a LHW sub class to balance this out. true but someone at 260 definitely would move faster than someone at 360 lbs, feel me? I think 70 speed is too fast for a SHW. there's no reason Pato should be moving at the same speed as Baxter, that's not balanced at all. you guys massacred the sub and stretch class a little bit too much IMO. i understand your basically penalizing it for having an auto-win finisher, but to make them less charismatic, slower, and weaker than any other class is a bit drastic. A HW/LW sub has the same grapple as a 190 lb cruiserweight? It just seems really off, and not very balanced. But I'm a rookie what do I know... "You either die a hero or live long enough to become Nate Ortiz" - Drago Cesar "Let me make myself clear: you work for me. If I tell you to fight Blaine, you fight Blaine. Hell, if I tell you to fight a lion, you WILL fight a lion and still thank me afterwards for giving you a job." - Mr. Sensation
Administrators Mr.Sensation Posted March 10, 2011 Author Administrators Posted March 10, 2011 You know nothing, nothing!!! I bet you if i asked you what color is water you would say you dont know because you know nothing! 15-06, 18:20 Tiberius Dupree make him tap with brownie mix "Booking Wrestling is the most thankless no-win position anyone could ever be in. When things go well it's the talent that makes it work. When they go badly, it's because the Booker doesn't know what he's doing." - Eric Bischoff Jookie: what website do we upload to againi for got Our Hero: uploadafraud.com Jookie: fuck u boricua "I'm like Smythe, except Good" - Matsuda OCW works best when it’s a melting pot of different ideas and opinions coming together to create some cool ass shit. It’s at its worst when people are only invested in their own/their pals’ content." - Paul Pugh "I'm 5,9" - Ry "I'm sorry if this sounds mean but OCW shouldn't be allowed to vote" - Jake Allen
Smythe D. Wonder Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 the sub classes will be lower in overall... we've already said 100 times that they will be lower due to the fact that when they get a finisher off the match is OVER... stats will suffer for the auto-win finisher... the stupid rook is right about the monster class tho... it's just stupidly overpowered... 85 str... and 70 speed makes no sense when we just balanced out the other classes... Monster and Giant perhaps need the same power and speed... or if the monster is gonna have 85 power just take that speed to a 65 1 Signature 1 - The Alpha Heel Signature 2 - Spear 5 (F) - Stargazer Finisher 1 - Flapjack 2 (F) - The SDW Finisher 2 - Reality check (G) - Dawonderful Dream Finisher 3 (i'm cool enoigh to claim 3 moves) - The Darkside - THe Million Dollar Dream
Leon Valentine Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 the sub classes will be lower in overall... we've already said 100 times that they will be lower due to the fact that when they get a finisher off the match is OVER... stats will suffer for the auto-win finisher... the stupid rook is right about the monster class tho... it's just stupidly overpowered... 85 str... and 70 speed makes no sense when we just balanced out the other classes... Monster and Giant perhaps need the same power and speed... or if the monster is gonna have 85 power just take that speed to a 65 Yeah we do really need to get that sorted.
Patolomai Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Monster Weight Classes: Super Heavyweight For powerful individuals whose sheer pile of muscle has made them raging mountains. GRPL: 85 STR: 85 DUR: 75 TEC: 55 SUB: 65 SPD: 70 CHA: 70 Giant Weight Classes: Super Heavyweight For naturally massive individuals who excel at using their size to destroy and captivate. GRPL: 80 STR: 80 DUR: 75 TEC: 55 SUB: 65 SPD: 65 CHA: 85 Just my thoughts on these two classes. In comparing the two what I notice is the +5 +5 grapple/strike advantage far out ways a +15 charisma in the giants favor. Why not take away -5 of charisma on giant and and +5 to another category like durability or another stat? Again just an observation as I know nothing and haven't play tested anything my self. http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/202284/rose-pedals-falling-animated.gif
Smythe D. Wonder Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Durability is across the board at the same level... 1 Signature 1 - The Alpha Heel Signature 2 - Spear 5 (F) - Stargazer Finisher 1 - Flapjack 2 (F) - The SDW Finisher 2 - Reality check (G) - Dawonderful Dream Finisher 3 (i'm cool enoigh to claim 3 moves) - The Darkside - THe Million Dollar Dream
Patolomai Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Makes sense http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/202284/rose-pedals-falling-animated.gif
Trevor McManus Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Stretcher and Submissionist deserve to be totally hammered because of the previously mentioned auto-win. I'd only be in favour of restoring their stats if it was coupled with a kickout limit of some sort. But that raises all sorts of competition based questions and is generally a messy area. Thusly, stat butchering is our best bet. http://positivesharing.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/complaining.jpg [23:39] locoNY911: You get solace in the fact you arent a fuck up. 2k9's better than 2k8. Like being shot in the knee is better than being shot in the head. - Guy Fausto [18:40] locoNY911: I mostly aggree with your statements
Tiberius Dupree Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I know this wont change anything.... But theres no such thing as an auto-win, momentum is earned. A victory is earned not automatic. The sub class gets butchered because people no sell finishers, is the way I view it. OCW is trying to be as realistic as possible. Once finishers are hit in real life the match is over, with the exception of big matches at ppvs. I've never seen somebody get out of a liontamer, sharpshooter or ankle lock if it was strapped on in the middle of the ring. You cud have made a rule if theres visible damage & a fin is hit, match over. Instead u have ppl like myself kicking out of 3 fins a match, just for it to end with a groggy grapple after a 25 min match. If realism and balance is the goal that's a simple solution instead of making one class weak as fuck and others balanced. Thats the stupid rook's honest logic. 4 "You either die a hero or live long enough to become Nate Ortiz" - Drago Cesar "Let me make myself clear: you work for me. If I tell you to fight Blaine, you fight Blaine. Hell, if I tell you to fight a lion, you WILL fight a lion and still thank me afterwards for giving you a job." - Mr. Sensation
Aries Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Stop talking Dupree, you're making too much sense!!!! 4
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