Turmoil 321 "Scape Goated"

[Mr.Sensation]

OEW OEW OEW

[Maxx Edwards]

Had a notepad open while watching the show, mostly short offhand thoughts with some things I went a bit deeper on.
 

Emp-Deborah intro
    - Pretty long Vid
    - Why physical violence again? This feels like Deborah could've been replaced with a number of Emp's previous rivals and no one would've batted an eye which is a disappointing given how both of them have been such focal points for the Fed let alone the women's division.
    - Not only that but these women are so much more than the physical dominance, they both have an "aura" that precedes them. We could legit be having a proxy war between Jae(or Jae-I as he was in the vid) and Brian Williams or have both Emp and Deborah use their social pull/power to undermine each other and what they've achieved but instead we get two women trying to kill each other yet again.
 

Jordan Trance
    - While I do think there is something there with the "Scapegoat" Jordan Trance, it's so hard to root for that when it feels he's been miscast or reskinned as he lost anything that previously made him unique.
    - In his segment it doesn't read like a Jordan Trance segment it reads like a Thomas Archer segment.
    - For lack of a better term, Jordan Trance lost all of his autism and is now this smarmy intelligent well spoken individual with careful consideration of how he comes across.
    - This double sucks cause I think if we got old Jordan Trance but as a heel where he goes off on random diatribes that are a bit more villainous as opposed to innocent as they were before, or he could happenstance and luck his way out a lotta times and kind of get one up without his own doing. I think this kind of character almost an oblivious heel would be a lot more interesting to watch and more unique than what we currently have.
 

Rory vs Petie
    - Good booking
    - Good Match
    - Good post match that parlays into a feud that should hopefully welcome back Claudio Stardom into the mix even if his demeanor change and hatred for Rory does feel a bit out of nowhere (to me at least)
 

John Carter segment
    - Little segment but no need to make this an in ring segment when you're gonna be coming out later for your match. This could've been backstage
 

Christine vs Skadi
    - Chrstine - very nice attire, gimmick, face paint even, Face is so nothing it is annoying. I'm not going to say she should get a face scan but something to make the face pop a little bit and not look like some chick from an 80s horror movie.
    - Skadi - Was expecting to hate this more, Cool Entrance, Lots of Presence without overstaying welcome or doing too much, do hate the name though it's almost laugh in your face generic.
    - Match - Liked the match, interesting ending, will be quite the curveball for Skadi to work around
 

Divorce
    - Good Editing
    - Good writing from characters
    - Lawyer Repeating himself saying things like "I assume you've read everything" was a bit odd even if it was done intentionally to plant a seed. I think the first time was enough
 

Valkyire Perl
    - Good Voices
    - Good Mic Effects
    - Some missing sound fx with the fighting really throws off what could've been a perfect concise segment
    - Good job with the story really giving Perl a rocketship rise and quite clearly being in a better position than Bash at the moment.
 

Amart vs Iceman - My MOTN
    - Amart music is bazillion Volume
    - Amart looks good as always
    - AI Trons 😕
    - Good Match from start to finish and a really good showing for both guys
    - If this was a real life match, this would probably be how you'd want to book it or have it be done to my tastes atleast.
    - Crapple Attempt(?) towards the end but didn't impact anything.
     - Definitely the peak in-ring wise on the show for me, really enjoyed it.
 

Kass vs B17
    - Kass AI is def off but not terrible, it's like staticky almost instead of roboticy like most voices are but it is pretty decent.
    - Adam voice acting good for the beginning but didn't pick up as the promo went on. Really wish he full sent that last line a bit more to give the segment a better ending.
 

Clickbae vs Underground Elite
    - AI Tron for UE looks so lonely, please give it some friends, so much empty space
    - Nice Tron for Clickbae
    - Iron Bae Mark V looks good, nice attire
    - Cooling Down from last couple of matches, not necessarily a bad thing and was a nice change-up from singles action on this show.
    - Bae definitely getting marked down as "Bad Move Set (Repeats the same move a lot)" for this match
    - Breaking the pinfall is def a teaching moment for the young rook but while it didn't hurt the match at the time of it happening and looked fairly normal it did noticeably make the match drag on as after it happened it was very much a "What are we doing here" for quite a while
 

Mass Effect and SamsICE
    - Not necessary, especially with all of Iceman's other doings on this show
    - Why would the champs sell a drink called "Loser Lemonade"?
    - Iceman went over at 3 different times of the show, was creative control written into his contract?
    - Did not enjoy this one
 

John Carter vs Bash
    - Don't think Hype was necessary but not gonna knock the effort. Works for getting more reps in for whoever did it.
    - Nice trunks for John
    - Interruption was way too long, do the powerbomb or the knee not both
    - Ending sequence was quite discombobulated in a non-intentional way
    - Felt like 2 (or more) segments going on instead of 1 chaotic segment
    - Did Valkyrie do anything other than maybe distract Bash?
    - Sudden ending did not feel climactic in any way
 

Words on Words to come eventually, but don't count on it.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Maxx Edwards

[Belle]

sooo many thoughts to share ♡ 🫧♡ 💌💋♡

don't get ur panties in a twist if u don't agree. all about having fun n sharing our vibe x 🍵🐸

 

deborah and emp. totally OBSESSED with these girls seriously, just been SO intense. these two women have been killin it for the longest. their attitudes are insane, and their outfits are 2 DIE 4.

debbie hitting jay…. i mean, who does that? major power move but i guess it shows how serious she is about this whole thing. can’t wait to see how emp is gonna get her lick back. 🤭

i just wish they could find a way to keep the intensity without all the blood.

probs the match i’m most looking forward to. perfect ending for deborah. 

 

poor valkyrie she's got some dirty sneaker out of the wood brittleboned running around town messing with her mental.

can’t stand perl. like the wicked witch of the web is suuuuch a cool concept (within the geekism of it all) but i simply just do not connect. i guess some things are not for everyone. not saying she's not great. clearly what she does has necessity as it resonates with the people it's meant for. and honestly......the biggest part is her unseemliness. the language of her face isn't very honest. she has a very hateful, ugly, misanthropic facial language that just reminds me of racist public school teachers. i liked the idea of her before i saw what she looked like. she kinda looks like the count from sesame street in a terrible fashion. she needs an IV and a tan asap. totallyyy liked her way more how she first looked like in ‘23. 

 

i had such high hopes for valkyrie’s comeback. was awaiting this tiny, all-mighty force of nature that i last saw in 2019. unfortunately, it hasn't been quite what i expected, from that dns beta beatdown at the start from making herself look too damn weak, like….girl…..no need to over force the helpless babyface angle, you don’t really need to beg for sympathy, everyone is cheering u on regardless. probs it's just me being dramatic and still having her old self in my mind. i'm still getting used to her new vibe but it's like i'm watching a different person. anyway, i'm rooting for her too!! and i hope i can eventually vibe with her groove again. but for now, i hatehatehate her diner waitress look. ponytail included.

 

marisa……ugh girl PLEASE stop doing these trashy degrading misogynistic uplifting male saviorist ass storylines. there's no way a woman can be so protective of good for nothing men. desperation n defeat are not a good look on you sis and it's sad. please realize that the game being played against you is bigger than whatever tired bs story you keep repeating over and over and over again. please stop trying to get entangled in men's business 24/7. ur anger and insistence of chasing men only leaves you being negative and unsatisfied. it’s like some 80's late welfare wife stereotype shit. maybe u can easily ''pop'' underdeveloped men foaming at the mouth in the front row because they just have enough brain cells to get through the day, but some of us are a little more delicate and need something more nuanced. so stop being a fucking hoe, abstain from sex & find out who u are first. and then, the universe will do it for you. and get back to fighting these girls or start chasing a title. it's getting stale and the division desperately needs some feminine substance n personality. even u can aim higher. lol whatever girlie best of luck.

 

i think clickbae should get over their obsession with broke loose puccy and become a power couple. it would be way more monumental to see these two become an item. plot twist! 

 

it gets very tiring n boring to have these main events end like that but whatever, none of my business.

making the title match a 3way more interesting good call 

tu amor? pero qué dice este chico 😭😭😂

not gonna freakin lie john's gear might be one the best men gear i’ve seen lately was really givinggggg. 

some of those who wear the same tired ass gear for 4 months shud take notes. 

tho i still can’t figure out how sheldon’s face is formed. there's something not quite right about that man. i wouldn't give the credit of calling him a mutant. his humanoid group emerged/crawled out of the caucasus cave system 15,000 years after the first caucasian homo-sapiens did. he's really a caveman.

 

WOMEN DO NOT WANT YOU YOU VAGABOND not even the ran through no talented ones

 

thats all xoxoxoxox 🩵

[Devon Flash]

1 hour ago, Maxx Edwards said:

Had a notepad open while watching the show, mostly short offhand thoughts with some things I went a bit deeper on.
 

Emp-Deborah intro
    - Pretty long Vid
    - Why physical violence again? This feels like Deborah could've been replaced with a number of Emp's previous rivals and no one would've batted an eye which is a disappointing given how both of them have been such focal points for the Fed let alone the women's division.
    - Not only that but these women are so much more than the physical dominance, they both have an "aura" that precedes them. We could legit be having a proxy war between Jae(or Jae-I as he was in the vid) and Brian Williams or have both Emp and Deborah use their social pull/power to undermine each other and what they've achieved but instead we get two women trying to kill each other yet again.
 

Jordan Trance
    - While I do think there is something there with the "Scapegoat" Jordan Trance, it's so hard to root for that when it feels he's been miscast or reskinned as he lost anything that previously made him unique.
    - In his segment it doesn't read like a Jordan Trance segment it reads like a Thomas Archer segment.
    - For lack of a better term, Jordan Trance lost all of his autism and is now this smarmy intelligent well spoken individual with careful consideration of how he comes across.
    - This double sucks cause I think if we got old Jordan Trance but as a heel where he goes off on random diatribes that are a bit more villainous as opposed to innocent as they were before, or he could happenstance and luck his way out a lotta times and kind of get one up without his own doing. I think this kind of character almost an oblivious heel would be a lot more interesting to watch and more unique than what we currently have.
 

Rory vs Petie
    - Good booking
    - Good Match
    - Good post match that parlays into a feud that should hopefully welcome back Claudio Stardom into the mix even if his demeanor change and hatred for Rory does feel a bit out of nowhere (to me at least)
 

John Carter segment
    - Little segment but no need to make this an in ring segment when you're gonna be coming out later for your match. This could've been backstage
 

Christine vs Skadi
    - Chrstine - very nice attire, gimmick, face paint even, Face is so nothing it is annoying. I'm not going to say she should get a face scan but something to make the face pop a little bit and not look like some chick from an 80s horror movie.
    - Skadi - Was expecting to hate this more, Cool Entrance, Lots of Presence without overstaying welcome or doing too much, do hate the name though it's almost laugh in your face generic.
    - Match - Liked the match, interesting ending, will be quite the curveball for Skadi to work around
 

Divorce
    - Good Editing
    - Good writing from characters
    - Lawyer Repeating himself saying things like "I assume you've read everything" was a bit odd even if it was done intentionally to plant a seed. I think the first time was enough
 

Valkyire Perl
    - Good Voices
    - Good Mic Effects
    - Some missing sound fx with the fighting really throws off what could've been a perfect concise segment
    - Good job with the story really giving Perl a rocketship rise and quite clearly being in a better position than Bash at the moment.
 

Amart vs Iceman - My MOTN
    - Amart music is bazillion Volume
    - Amart looks good as always
    - AI Trons 😕
    - Good Match from start to finish and a really good showing for both guys
    - If this was a real life match, this would probably be how you'd want to book it or have it be done to my tastes atleast.
    - Crapple Attempt(?) towards the end but didn't impact anything.
     - Definitely the peak in-ring wise on the show for me, really enjoyed it.
 

Kass vs B17
    - Kass AI is def off but not terrible, it's like staticky almost instead of roboticy like most voices are but it is pretty decent.
    - Adam voice acting good for the beginning but didn't pick up as the promo went on. Really wish he full sent that last line a bit more to give the segment a better ending.
 

Clickbae vs Underground Elite
    - AI Tron for UE looks so lonely, please give it some friends, so much empty space
    - Nice Tron for Clickbae
    - Iron Bae Mark V looks good, nice attire
    - Cooling Down from last couple of matches, not necessarily a bad thing and was a nice change-up from singles action on this show.
    - Bae definitely getting marked down as "Bad Move Set (Repeats the same move a lot)" for this match
    - Breaking the pinfall is def a teaching moment for the young rook but while it didn't hurt the match at the time of it happening and looked fairly normal it did noticeably make the match drag on as after it happened it was very much a "What are we doing here" for quite a while
 

Mass Effect and SamsICE
    - Not necessary, especially with all of Iceman's other doings on this show
    - Why would the champs sell a drink called "Loser Lemonade"?
    - Iceman went over at 3 different times of the show, was creative control written into his contract?
    - Did not enjoy this one
 

John Carter vs Bash
    - Don't think Hype was necessary but not gonna knock the effort. Works for getting more reps in for whoever did it.
    - Nice trunks for John
    - Interruption was way too long, do the powerbomb or the knee not both
    - Ending sequence was quite discombobulated in a non-intentional way
    - Felt like 2 (or more) segments going on instead of 1 chaotic segment
    - Did Valkyrie do anything other than maybe distract Bash?
    - Sudden ending did not feel climactic in any way
 

Words on Words to come eventually, but don't count on it.

If you gonna do these overwritten critiques, you can at least be correct with your information. We aren’t selling loser lemonade, we just gave them a special edition. Mfs wanna be Gabe Seltzer so bad. 

[Maxx Edwards]

7 minutes ago, Devon Flash said:

If you gonna do these overwritten critiques, you can at least be correct with your information. We aren’t selling loser lemonade, we just gave them a special edition. Mfs wanna be Gabe Seltzer so bad. 

What does that change? It's still a bottle of Muscle Juice with your guys' name on it with the flavor "Loser Lemonade" written on it.

[Mr.Sensation]

Love the feedback B Tee Dubs. Will add something tomorrow.

 

My quick summation is in an ideal world the show started chaotic and would end chaotic.

vs. Starting Chaotic and ending disjointed. There where a lot of ideas at the end and none of them seem to have been executed well at all.
Will elaborate in great producer detail later.

 

Also adding the caveat that I spoke about it last week that "Fuck finishes" are ok if they don't become the norm. And while not the norm

out of 11 matches from the last 2 weeks 3 have had fuck finishes, that is no bueno!

 

[EMP]

I'll go into more detail on show tomorrow just replying to comments on my stuff for now. Since I still need to watch the entire show and would like to read webshow before making any statements that might be explained in writing. Everyone is free to have their opinion so take from this what you want. 

 

Emp-Deborah intro
    - Pretty long Vid

 

* Segment was actually shorter than Marisa's segment plus included the opening of the show intro video so not sure where this comment is coming from * 

 

    - Why physical violence again? This feels like Deborah could've been replaced with a number of Emp's previous rivals and no one would've batted an eye which is a disappointing given how both of them have been such focal points for the Fed let alone the women's division.

 

* This was explained  at the start of the whole feud.  I don't like Deborah and She doesn't like me.  I said I would kick her ass at any sight of her. Why would that change now? I told this to her to face I'm not playing games with her and I'm not going to be friendly. 

 

    - Not only that but these women are so much more than the physical dominance, they both have an "aura" that precedes them. We could legit be having a proxy war between Jae(or Jae-I as he was in the vid) and Brian Williams or have both Emp and Deborah use their social pull/power to undermine each other and what they've achieved but instead we get two women trying to kill each other yet again.

 

* The face we both see ourselves as "Head of this division" and " Have huge Egos" is exactly why its breaking into physical dominance.  As for Jae.  Jae has nothing to do with what is going on he wouldn't fight my battle for me on any other case and this one isn't different and I'm not just gonna let Deborah do what she did so violence is gonna be the answer we aren't just gonna sit down and talk to each other after everything. 

 

Clickbae vs Underground Elite
    - AI Tron for UE looks so lonely, please give it some friends, so much empty space

 

* I agree with the tron needs more but I'm also tired of seeing these generic E-sports looking Tron logos. But that's a personal preference. 

    - Nice Tron for Clickbae

 

* Thank you. not really much else I can say just made a name png and slapped it on a background. 

 

    - Iron Bae Mark V looks good, nice attire

 

* Not sure what you are talking about. 

    - Cooling Down from last couple of matches, not necessarily a bad thing and was a nice change-up from singles action on this show.

 

* Once again not sure what you mean by this as I felt the match was very fast pace and combative with a lot of reversals Bae and I had a good start and it just took a moment for UE to get going. So not really sure what you mean by cooling down. 

    - Bae definitely getting marked down as "Bad Move Set (Repeats the same move a lot)" for this match

 

Shrug- can't really speak on Bee's plays style from what I have seen he plays B17 exactly the same type of way 

 

    - Breaking the pinfall is def a teaching moment for the young rook but while it didn't hurt the match at the time of it happening and looked fairly normal it did noticeably make the match drag on as after it happened it was very much a "What are we doing here" for quite a while

 

* The comment about "What are we doing here" doesn't hold true as It seemed the rookies didn't know they shouldn't break it and neither Bee nor I really picked up on it as we both were like was that against FPR after the match was done. Did it make the match go longer yes but did it hurt the match for it being longer I don't feel it did since It stilled ended up being about the same length as some singles matches. 

 

 

 

deborah and emp. totally OBSESSED with these girls seriously, just been SO intense. these two women have been killin it for the longest. their attitudes are insane, and their outfits are 2 DIE 4.

debbie hitting jay…. i mean, who does that? major power move but i guess it shows how serious she is about this whole thing. can’t wait to see how emp is gonna get her lick back. 🤭

i just wish they could find a way to keep the intensity without all the blood.

probs the match i’m most looking forward to. perfect ending for deborah. 

 

* Thank you very much! I'm really glad you have been enjoying it. As for the blood in the feud is just an exclamation point to show they don't give a shit about the other person well being. I'm out to put an end to Deborah and she's trying to do the same. As for the blood in this segment Emp was already bruised and wounded from Riot so the attacks just opened the already barely healed wound and as for Deborah bleeding can't have someone crash through a screen with metal and stuff and not bleed in the process that would just be stupid. If I'm gonna produce a segment I'm gonna put everything I can into get the most out of it. 

 

 

 

i think clickbae should get over their obsession with broke loose puccy and become a power couple. it would be way more monumental to see these two become an item. plot twist! 

 

* I'm trying to get to know you better. Type of girl I can take home to Mommy Click. 

 

 

Those are my views like them , don't like them, your choice. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by EMP

[John Carter]

1 minute ago, Mr.Sensation said:

Love the feedback B Tee Dubs. Will add something tomorrow.

 

My quick summation is in an ideal world the show started chaotic and would end chaotic.

vs. Starting Chaotic and ending disjointed. There where a lot of ideas at the end and none of them seem to have been executed well at all.
Will elaborate in great producer detail later.

 

Also adding the caveat that I spoke about it last week that "Fuck finishes" are ok if they don't become the norm. And while not the norm

out of 11 matches from the last 2 weeks 3 have had fuck finishes, that is no bueno!

 

I felt like if it progresses the story at hand it’s cool. Plus in this one the real finish was shown. I’ll keep that in mind though as I was involved in 2 out of 3 fucked finishes. 

[Mr.Sensation]

2 minutes ago, John Carter said:

I felt like if it progresses the story at hand it’s cool. Plus in this one the real finish was shown. I’ll keep that in mind though as I was involved in 2 out of 3 fucked finishes. 

I don't know if you mean the finish or if you mean, what happend after. And in your defense you are correct if you mean actual footage was shown but why was it 480p when the match was in 1080p?

[John Carter]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Sensation said:

I don't know if you mean the finish or if you mean, what happend after. And in your defense you are correct if you mean actual footage was shown but why was it 480p when the match was in 1080p?

Cause the ending I cut out of the original recording to edit the cutscene separate so it was processed through my shitty uploader twice. If you’re insinuating what I think one I’m hurt because myself and Bash would never do that and two I can send you the actual match finish