Aries

Smack that bitch up! MOOOOO-TOR CIIIIITAAAAAAAAAAAY

I still don't see a problem with submission sigs or finishers if you just stamp a rule on it. As I've said if you don't immediately crank back the sub, its easy to escape. AS for your sub sig > finisher arguement, Trevor..I kind of see where you going, but if the person escapes said sub sig, he is on the offensive. But if you're one of those defensive players, that wait until the person attempts his finisher to attack, then that's your own fault. Personally, if I escaped someone's sub sig, I would attack them...not right away, because of the animation, and its gayness, but after, I would attack. Just stamp a rule onto submission moves, and you're pretty much guaranteed an escape...especially if you have a higher submission stat than the person applying the sub. Now, do I think subs suck? Yes, but its only because the struggle submission system is complete bollocks. Do I think its a shitty way to win? Yes, I do, which is why I try not finish off of a sub, unless that person either kicks out of everything, or if its something timed, and they kick out of everything. But, you have to make due with what the game gives you. You're saying work with the game on kick outs. Well, then work with the game on submissions. I mean, sometimes, its ok to work AGAINST IT. You and plenty of other people have problems with submission sigs or finishers moreso than kick outs. As for the kick out thing...I can see your point, but this is the reason for storylined matches. I understand not everyone likes them, but they serve a purpose. If you're working with the person who beat you for a title, do the real match, take some footage from that, and plug it in with a storyline driven match.

:(, you suck!

Smythe, I only have one disagreement with what you posted. Submissions finishers are NOT cheese if you police people to not crank back fully when they do it. For example, if I had a DM with Ryder, and wanted to slap on the Sharpshooter, I just crank slowly at a time, allowing them enough time to spin the RS. Submission finishers are NOT hard to escape from as I've done it, as has Trips, especially if there's a rule for cranking back. Sort of like last year. I still don't get the problem with people whining about people doing whatever to get out of a sig or finisher. I can understand running away or out of the ring as unethical, but attacking someone? Come on! Do you expect people to just stand there?! Now, don't get me wrong, sometimes, I do play defensively, especially against people I enjoy playing to give them a chance. But there are sometimes when you have to play to win. I seriously don't see whats wrong with people WANTING to win. There is also the little fact that Smythe mentioned...YOU HAVE AN RT BUTTON FOR A REASON. Everything is reversible this year, seemingly, so stop whining, and always expect the worst from your opponent. If he wants to run at you, counter it into something nice, instead of bitching that HE WASTED MY SIGNATURE OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Again, don't get me wrong. I love putting on good matches...if its a STORYLINE, or with someone who I can prove my worth against. If its a random booking, you're damn right I'm going to go all out. As for the pinning thing...I still think we should go with what me and Parker suggested. People kick out way too often. I don't think people on a certain tier should get as many kickouts, I think kickouts should be based on the match. Tags, four ways, and three ways should get NO kickouts because they last a day and forever. Singles, if its a ME match...1 kickout per person if its, lets say for the sake of arguement, Guy v. Mayhem. If its me v. Mayhem, a kickout for Mayhem, but not me, being as he's a champ. If a midcard match, or upper midcard match is amazing, then allow 1 per person, or if its for a title. 2 for the champ, and 1 for the person. Rookies shouldn't get any kickouts because they're rooks, as its been said. If I hit one of the new guys with a Superkick, I don't expect them to kickout. The people who would need to book things like this, are obviously Hennig and Jay. I mean, hell, why not give it a test run NEXT Riot, and see how everything pans out? It wouldn't hurt, you know.

I would just like to point out, that the tag match between the Hostiles and the retards was resubmitted for viewing pleasure, I.E. music and entrances an all that jazz...not sure why it wasn't put up

cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, little sister!!!!!

That four way looks awfully familiar....

CAW's been upload chief. Tags are ocw, ocwfed.com, and aries

"and because Leon has a stupid face he was fired from Raw" Damn, I didn't know Leon worked for the WWE as well. That mothafucka must be hated everywhere if he got Vinny Mac to fire him

*GASP* *COURTROOM CHATTER* http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae355/Louis089/ani-judge-shakes-head.gif ORDER! ORDER IN THE COURT! Mr. Tos! This court refuses to acknowledge hispanic references! We will not subjugate this court to any further nuisances! http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae355/Louis089/ani-judge.gif As for the case...you do bring up interersting points....so this court finds the defendant May "Joana Harris" Hem... http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae355/Louis089/i-guilty.gif YAYYYY *CONFETTI*

http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae355/Louis089/ani-judge.gif I've seen quite a few things in my many years on the bench. And in all that time, I've finally learned this one thing. Each case is different, and takes place in its own world, if you will. In order to fully understand that world, first we have to immerse ourselves in it completely. This X-Ray looks existential to this case. Mr. Fearo, can you respond to this?

http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae355/Louis089/Untitled-1.png You make an excellent point Mr. Tos. Mr. Fearo, do you have a rebuttal to Mr. Tos' accusations that Mr. Hem was injured during this match-up?

Wait, wait, wait....DJACK IS EX DIVISION CHAMP?!!?!?!? I call shenanigans..

You can have my title when I Flake. I even have the avatar to prove I will in fact Flake. I'd give it a week if I were you pimpin'.

Can I please whoop his ass next week?

Fair enough.

TV CHAMP BITCHES! On a serious note, I agree with Parker. Smythe is barely around, and I don't recall seeing Trips make any immediate decisions. (No offense Trips) I think an extra FPR personel or two would work perfectly fine.

Probably, yeah

It wouldn't happen to be this female, would it? http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/420/jenniferlopezsouthpark.jpg

2x International Champion 3x EX Champion 2x Pride Champion 1x Tag Champion F.I. Winner King of OCW Winner MOTY 2008 My e-cock is bigger.

LOL, no. But, yeah, TRIPLE CROWN GRAND SLAM TRANS CHAMP! None of you are as good as that. Also, KOOCW AND F.I. winner So fuck the lot of you, I'm the man. Yeah! But really, this card should be a good show, hoping that the over the top rope BR doesn't drag out because of the shitty game mechanics.

You mean I get to take another title from Trance? UHN TIS UHN TIS UHN TIS UHN TIS

Well you do belong there, so it kind of fits.